No excess deaths in Sweden compared to the last ten years

Re:No excess deaths in Sweden compared to the last ten years by roca on Monday November 16, 2020 @05:59PM (#25118200)

There are many reports of high compliance. E.g. https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-coronavirus-lessons/ "93 percent of the population say they are following social-distancing recommendations." Maybe compliance has waned since. I don't know.

Here's a typical narrative that illustrates why we should be more careful about the word "lockdown":

Alex: "Sweden has successfully managed COVID19 without a lockdown."

Bob: "Great, so we should just go and live our normal lives then."

Alex: "Actually no. We need to cut off most social contact, ban visitors to rest homes, and work from home when possible."

Bob: "Er, that sounds like a lockdown to me!"

Alex: "WELL ACTUALLY it's not a lockdown as long as the government doesn't assert the legal authority to enforce these restrictions."

Bob: "... but the effects on health, well-being and the economy will be the same as a lockdown?"

Alex: "If everyone complies, which we expect them to, then yes, but the important thing is that we don't call it a lockdown."

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Re:No excess deaths in Sweden compared to the last ten years by zepto on Monday November 16, 2020 @08:05PM (#25119210)

Here's a typical narrative that illustrates why we should be more careful about the word "lockdown":

Alex: "Sweden has successfully managed COVID19 without a lockdown."

Bob: "How did they manage that?"

Alex: "They gave their citizens a bunch of guidance on how to reduce the spread of the disease, and asked them to be responsible and most Swedes complied."

Bob: "Why can’t we do that?"

Alex: "Good question - something to do with our government or our culture?"

Bob: "Seems like our government might have burned less goodwill if it had used Sweden’s approach and we’d be in better shape going into this second wave.”

Alex: “Yeah, maybe you are right.”

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