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Re:Why Italians don't drink a cappuccino after 11am [video] by paganel on Monday November 16, 2020 @05:22PM (#25117830)
Italians have indeed the best espressos/ristrettos that I've ever had the pleasure of drinking, but other than that the origin coffee culture is pretty much non-existing in Northern Italy (I've never been to the South). Comparatively speaking Milano is a desert when it comes to origin coffee shops, and the same goes for their hip neighbours across the Alps, i.e. Paris.

From my direct experience European cities further East and North fare much better, I can say that with first-hand experience about the city I live in (Bucharest) and about Bratislava, too (which I've found to be better compared to Vienna). I've also heard/read very good things about Budapest and Berlin, and (as an exception to my first part of the post) I've found coffee shops in the Chamberí district of Madrid to be serving quite good coffee.

All this to say that the Italians do not have the monopoly on saying how one should drink his/her coffee or not, for the simple fact that the Italians mostly only care about a small sub-set of coffee culture (i.e. espressos/ristrettos)

Re:Why Italians don't drink a cappuccino after 11am [video] by ojosilva on Monday November 16, 2020 @07:23PM (#25118924)
From my experience working in many places all over Europe the last 20 years plus, the key factors for good coffee imho are:

- A tidy coffee machine. Coffee grounds are home for all kinds of living organisms that can make or break a cup of coffee. This is the killer factor.

- The water (hardiness, etc). Madrid has, arguably, one the best tap water in Spain and probably tops most European capitals. Most islands in the Mediterranean have sorry coffee due to the use of treated saltwater as tap water - from tap right into your espresso. Yuck! (obviously not a problem at a 5 star place where they use mineral water).

- The milk. For the best experience try the coffee in Galicia, and some parts of the North of Portugal. Some rural towns with a tradition in dairy production can give you a pleasant surprise if you're looking for that creamy taste with a foamy light texture. Rural areas is also where dirty machines dwell, so it's not a guaranteed good experience.

- The coffee and coffee culture. Generally most places carry the national/local brands. Italy definitely has the best mass produced coffee brands, but Portugal is a close second for their awesome ristrettos. The rest of cities or neighborhoods... It depends on how upscale they are. Ie. Chamberí is smart and upscale. I'm not comparing coffee shops with baristas, but the average coffee you get in the off-off places where tourists would not walk in but that account for 99% of all coffee served in Europe.

But I believe that's the least important factor tbh.

Re:Why Italians don't drink a cappuccino after 11am [video] by hvdfhbj on Monday November 16, 2020 @05:43PM (#25118035)
As an Australian I've had a terrible time finding a decent cup of coffee in Europe (Italy excepted, but even then the standards aren't great).

I admit I haven't been to Budapest or Bratislava but I've been to some of the supposedly-best places in Berlin and been pretty disappointed. A shocking fraction of them use UHT milk.

Re:Why Italians don't drink a cappuccino after 11am [video] by switch007 on Tuesday November 17, 2020 @02:50AM (#25121171)
There is some fantastic coffee in the UK (personally I know of good places in Leeds, Huddersfield, Manchester, Brighton, London). I think you need to know locals to help you find the good places, as they're usually a bit out of the way.

I drank a lot of coffee in Oz though. I loved how easy it is to get a good coffee. It seemed more accessible and standards higher across the board.

Re:Why Italians don't drink a cappuccino after 11am [video] by bigger_cheese on Monday November 16, 2020 @06:47PM (#25118617)
I travelled through Europe 2018, mainly spent my time in Italy, Greece and Malta. Also spent some time in Prague and Budapest.

I personally really enjoyed Greek style Coffee but I guess not for everybody. I'm hardly what you would call a coffee snob here in Australia though.

Re:Why Italians don't drink a cappuccino after 11am [video] by flybrand on Monday November 16, 2020 @06:27PM (#25118423)
And never a flat white to be found. Sydney, Melbourne - great coffee culture when we lived there in ‘08, better than EU.
Re:Why Italians don't drink a cappuccino after 11am [video] by NamTaf on Monday November 16, 2020 @06:59PM (#25118710)
Australian coffee culture is genuinely amongst the best in the world. Traveling elsewhere is always involves the bittersweet sacrifice of good quality coffee for several weeks, with the rare exceptions that punctuate that time savoured very much indeed. I'm sure I'm biased, but there's a hell of a lot of good supporting anecdata backing it up.