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Re:Apple apps on Big Sur bypass some firewalls and VPNs by grupthink on Monday November 16, 2020 @05:03PM (#25117582)
I feel the same. I'm confused as to why this was downvoted by HN. Could someone clue us in?
Re:Apple apps on Big Sur bypass some firewalls and VPNs by floatingatoll on Monday November 16, 2020 @06:42PM (#25118573)
Their question could be confused by others as it's phrased. "my methods" includes both the VPNs I tested, and how I tested them. They correctly observe that I withheld all information about my methods, rather than only the component I intended to.

Someone else who didn't realize that I'd left out the methodology could possibly interpret their question as confused/misplaced/etc. I definitely wondered about that at first, but I took the good faith approach:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

Re:Apple apps on Big Sur bypass some firewalls and VPNs by snowwrestler on Monday November 16, 2020 @05:13PM (#25117726)
Because we are not owed anything by HN commenters. Floatingatoll posted what they wanted to post, and they have no responsibility to post anything more than that.

If you or I think there should be recommendations of which specific VPNs properly route Mac app traffic, then you or I can do our own tests and post our own comments with those results and recommendations.

Re:Apple apps on Big Sur bypass some firewalls and VPNs by floatingatoll on Monday November 16, 2020 @05:55PM (#25118154)
Well, no, I felt earlier when I posted this that I owed a "steps to reproduce my results" explanation. It got lost and I'm glad they called that out.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25118136

I'm definitely frustrated that so many people (in top-level comments on HN, especially) are taking for granted some random Internet post without verifying it, but that's no excuse for the missing methodology.