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Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by latexr on Monday November 16, 2020 @01:16PM (#25115045)
> that's crude whataboutism.

You’ve missed my point, which is that you could remove the word “Apple” from your original comment and it would have made no difference. One kind of fanatic does not excuse another, nor have I claimed it does.

There’s no need to list Apple’s faults. I’m aware of them and support a large part of Apple criticism in the Tim Cook era (and not just technical[1]), including most of yours.

Where we disagree is in the insinuation the author is a fanatic simply for defending Apple. They’ve written a technical post and gave their conclusions, which may indeed sound apologetic but are far from rabid fanaticism.

> Fuck Apple.

In sum, it’s fine to decry the company but I disagree that people who like it and accept its tradeoffs should be immediately labeled as extremists.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24738345

Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by znpy on Tuesday November 17, 2020 @04:30AM (#25121713)
> In sum, it’s fine to decry the company but I disagree that people who like it and accept its tradeoffs should be immediately labeled as extremists.

Well Apple is notoriously abusive of the developers on its platform. Two things are particularly cried about across most of the ecosystem: the 30% cut they take off pretty much everything and the vague terms that you have to comply with, and that they enforce in a mostly random way (app gets pulled out of the app store, won't tell you why, won't tell you what you did wrong).

Now add the exhorbitant prices for their low-specced, low-quality hardware.

Now add the continual rip-off of their users.

Now add the subject of the original linked page.

At this point I think that yes, defending Apple is extremism.

It's fine to accept the tradeoffs, it's not fine to pretend they do not exists:

- "Yeah this stuff is unreasonably expensive but we have to use it"

that is honest

- "the apple ecosystem is the best for creative and developers and what apple does across all the spectrum is fine"

that is dishonest.

Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by latexr on Tuesday November 17, 2020 @07:56AM (#25123175)
I find your position on what classifies someone an extremist to be itself extremist.

That is the crux of our disagreement, which I doubt we’ll resolve over an internet text interaction.

Thank you for the conversation thus far. Maybe we’ll resume it if we happen to ever meet.

Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by znpy on Tuesday November 17, 2020 @08:14AM (#25123342)
> I find your position on what classifies someone an extremist to be itself extremist.

I find that you're the kind of person that only find what they're looking for.

> Thank you for the conversation thus far. Maybe we’ll resume it if we happen to ever meet.

thank you too and have a nice day.

Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by latexr on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @09:02AM (#25136800)
> I find that you're the kind of person that only find what they're looking for.

I expressed an opinion on a belief you seem to hold, not a value judgement on yourself. I don’t presume to know which “kind of person” you are from a short text-based interaction pertaining to single subject matter. I’ll ask you extend me the same courtesy.