Ok Google: please publish your DKIM secret keys

Re:Ok Google: please publish your DKIM secret keys by tptacek on Monday November 16, 2020 @12:47PM (#25114671)

You can say the exact same thing about all secure messaging, which, after all, has the essential function of keeping documents out of the hands of third parties, including activists and historians. If DKIM upsets you, how do you get your head around disappearing messages?

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Re:Ok Google: please publish your DKIM secret keys by sbierwagen on Monday November 16, 2020 @01:56PM (#25115513)

>how do you get your head around disappearing messages?

I get my head around them by thinking they are bad? As in, not good. An undesirable property.

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Re:Ok Google: please publish your DKIM secret keys by tptacek on Monday November 16, 2020 @02:00PM (#25115572)

I mean, I guess you'd have to think that, to think that ensuring deniable emails is "shameful", as this thread suggests. I just wonder what the boundary of that thinking is. Message encryption also impedes activists!

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Re:Ok Google: please publish your DKIM secret keys by Alex3917 on Monday November 16, 2020 @12:49PM (#25114706)

> how do you get your head around disappearing messages?

I mean I try to publish most of my interesting email conversations on the web, because every time you have a good email conversation that isn't public it's like taking a $100 bill and lighting it on fire. So I wouldn't ever personally use disappearing messages.

Literally the first rule of email is that if you wouldn't want it on the front page of the NYT then you shouldn't send it. The first national scandal involving email was Iran Contra in 1986. People should know by now not to put anything into an email that they wouldn't be comfortable with the entire world knowing. And while privacy is hugely important to individuals and essential for a healthy society, to me rotating DKIM keys feels like it's incentivizing people to use email incorrectly.

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Re:Ok Google: please publish your DKIM secret keys by harikb on Monday November 16, 2020 @12:59PM (#25114831)

Then why don't we design such a system first with a higher level of guarantee first and inform users that this the goal.

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Re:Ok Google: please publish your DKIM secret keys by Alex3917 on Monday November 16, 2020 @01:05PM (#25114940)

We did, it's called email. The phrase "like a postcard" is how email has been described for decades -- by our school systems and the media when educating the general public, in corporate training, and in the court system.

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Re:Ok Google: please publish your DKIM secret keys by gowld on Monday November 16, 2020 @02:05PM (#25115629)

This is an absurd claim.

There is not a popular email system in existence that says

"To: [email protected] CC: Everyone [NON-EDITABLE]"

Quite the opposite is true. Gmail, for example, says "Google.com Mail protects your message during delivery As you add people to this message, this icon will let you know your message is secure."

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