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Re:Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to ... by rafram on Sunday November 15, 2020 @10:44PM (#25107724)
> for being, generally, useless

While I understand what you’re going for here, this feels a bit eugenics-ish to me. They are as much a human being as you are and people are capable of change. Odds are they didn’t choose to live there.

Re:Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to ... by HarryHirsch on Sunday November 15, 2020 @11:36PM (#25108061)
The million-dollar question that it's all about is if the locals choose to be ignorant assholes or if they don't know better because of circumstances - multigenerational bad education and ready availability of Foxnews. You'd actually say that anyone who could moved away long ago, and it's only the dregs of society that are still there.
Re:Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to ... by jl2718 on Monday November 16, 2020 @08:05AM (#25111125)
I think people living in hard situations develop all kinds of biases and tribalism out of necessity. Cosmopolitanism is a luxury good.

If you can’t admit that you, with your own mind and morals, would act the same way in the same circumstances, that doesn’t seem any different than the bigotry you accuse ‘them’ of.

Re:Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to ... by HarryHirsch on Monday November 16, 2020 @11:05AM (#25113274)
We have to disagree about the "necessity" of oppressing those who are not within your circle. Consider George Wallace, after whom streets are named in Alabama. As a young man he ran on a policy of good roads and schools, and when that didn't get him anywhere he changed strategy and had a long, successful career on a program of institutional racism. When you look at Alabama, giving the outgroup the helot treatment is either a way of life or a luxury good.
Re:Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to ... by JumpCrisscross on Monday November 16, 2020 @10:10AM (#25112576)
> They are as much a human being as you are and people are capable of change

Totally agree. But these attitudes towards fellow people tend to pair with unproductive behaviours.

Now, there are plenty of exceptions. Highly productive people with abhorrent views. But on average, acidic views tend to go with lower incomes at a population level. (I make no assertion on which way causation flows. And within a city, the relationship breaks down.)

Re:Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to ... by KittenInABox on Monday November 16, 2020 @11:40AM (#25113720)
> But on average, acidic views tend to go with lower incomes at a population level. (I make no assertion on which way causation flows. And within a city, the relationship breaks down.)

This is classism and itself is abhorrent. As someone who lives in NYC, living in NYC and discussing abhorrent views in red states as correlated to income sounds utterly ridiculous on its face when we have our own corrupt NYPD (Stop and frisk, the kettling and brutality on peaceful protestors), ineffective mayor, and increased gentrification leading to homelessness.

I'm absolutely baffled by "I treat living in NYC as a way to get away from lower income people and their abhorrent views" when NYC has lower income people that are actively being disenfranchised and the wealthy simply look the other way (which arguably is abhorrent!).