Re:The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgari...
by Causality1 on Sunday November 15, 2020 @03:07PM
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You use the word "gypsy" a lot. The Roma I've met consider it very offensive, almost n-word level offensive. Is that not the case in Europe?
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Re:The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgari...
by Mediterraneo10 on Sunday November 15, 2020 @05:17PM
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Although at the NGO level activists claim that "Roma" should be used instead of "gypsy", it is very common when talking to Balkan Roma to be corrected by them: “Don’t call us Roma, we’re <locally used exonym equivalent to ‘gypsies’>". Obviously their own endonym is Rom, plural Roma, but they sometimes bristle at outsiders using it.
Re:The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgari...
by Bost on Sunday November 15, 2020 @08:24PM
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I have the impression those being better off, with (somewhat) higher social status, education being better connected to the majority population find "Gypsy" to be derogatory.
But once I met a poor family referring to themselves this way, so a bit perplexed and curious I rather asked them directly if they consider themselves being Roma or Gypsy... only to get an ambiguous answer.
Edit: I met that family in the eastern Slovakia.
Re:The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgari...
by EB-Barrington on Sunday November 15, 2020 @03:19PM
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Not that I have encountered. Perhaps all of the Gypsy/Roma I have spoken with are too polite to let me know otherwise.
Re:The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgari...
by emteycz on Sunday November 15, 2020 @04:34PM
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Here in Czechia many use the 'vulgar' variant (cikán) themselves. I wouldn't use it in my writing though.
Re:The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgari...
by malkia on Sunday November 15, 2020 @04:45PM
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It's "циганин" (tsiganin, or ciganin) in Bulgaria. But this is now deemed offensive, hence roma.
Re:The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgari...
by ratww on Sunday November 15, 2020 @07:05PM
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In Brazil (which has a sizeable Romani population, and had two Romani presidents), the direct translation of this, "Cigano", is still the one officially used.
Re:The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgari...
by figomore on Sunday November 15, 2020 @08:47PM
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I didn’t know that Brazil had two presidents with Romani origin. According to Wikipedia they are Juscelino Kubitscheck and Washington Luís.
Re:The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgari...
by vram22 on Sunday November 15, 2020 @06:34PM
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Interestingly, many variants of that word in different European languages. See section Exonyms in:
Re:The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgari...
by Viliam1234 on Tuesday November 17, 2020 @07:38PM
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It depends. Sometimes, older people will call themselves "Gypsy" and may even correct you if you call them "Roma". But younger people have been taught that "Gypsy" is an offense, so they will get offended if you use the word.
Re:The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgari...
by crispyporkbites on Sunday November 15, 2020 @05:00PM
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It’s complicated. Ultimately it’s rude to refer to anyone by their skin colour, ethnicity or racial “group”. There are almost no situations where it’s appropriate.
Re:The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgari...
by AussieWog93 on Sunday November 15, 2020 @07:34PM
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In the US and certain upper-middle class echelons of other Western nations, maybe.
Outside of that bubble, though, it ranges from neutral to positive to acknowledge a person's ethnicity.
Re:The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgari...
by thisrod on Sunday November 15, 2020 @11:59PM
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Lol at the nominative determinism!
Re:The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgari...
by AussieWog93 on Monday November 16, 2020 @03:03AM
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I didn't even realise. That's hilarious!
Re:The Largest Gypsy Ghetto in Europe – Stolipinovo, Bulgari...
by NoImmatureAdHom on Sunday November 15, 2020 @11:08PM
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This is how I understand the world to be too