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Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by t0mas88 on Sunday November 15, 2020 @07:30AM (#25100670)
The easy solution is to have the intelligence in the lightbulbs the way Philips, Osram and IKEA did on their Zigbee based systems.

I have all lights (100+) in the house on Zigbee but without changing any wiring. Only non standard is that I replaced all the wall switches with a variant that's electrically "always on" and sends a Zigbee command when pressed (and can be pulled out to access a traditional physical switch as a backup in case of full system failure). They fit the original Siemens outer wall plates that my house was built with so everything looks standard. Returning evening to non-smart in case I want to sell the place is an afternoon of work replacing the switches behind the plastic face plate with their old versions. Those are all in a box in the attic :-)

The benefits of smart lights for comfort are pretty big, auto-on lights by motion detection is great for bathrooms, storage rooms etc. Having the color temperature match outside and time of day is also much better than traditional dimmers. Voice control is useful in some situations (mostly when cooking or carrying kids or groceries). And being able to walk out the front door saying "Alexa, turn off all lights" is a great way to save energy and make things easy.

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by pmlnr on Sunday November 15, 2020 @10:24AM (#25101858)
I tried the IKEA bulbs. They have coil whine turned off any made my unable to fall asleep. Apparently it's a known issue: https://i.reddit.com/r/tradfri/comments/arlyiz/coil_whine_an...

At the moment I have standalone lamps with Sonoff D1 dimmer and halogen (yes, really) bulbs that can actually be dimmed 0-100%.

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by reportingsjr on Sunday November 15, 2020 @03:01PM (#25104259)
I outfitted my apartment with ikea lights for the last few years, and I am currently in the middle of replacing them with philips Hue.

It is insane how unreliable the ikea products have been and how terrible the interface is vs philips.

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by hondadriver on Sunday November 15, 2020 @03:41PM (#25104620)
I am using both, the bulbs are equally reliable here, the Ikea bridge & app have had their problems in the past, but also work well atm.

I am moving to Deconz (Phoscon) for full flexibility though..

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by t0mas88 on Monday November 16, 2020 @01:04PM (#25114922)
The Philips bulbs are much better. Ikea also doesn't dim as low as the Philips Hue. But the Ikea bulbs are cheaper so I still use those for storage rooms where the quality is less important.
Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by ornornor on Sunday November 15, 2020 @09:01AM (#25101233)
> I have all lights (100+)

Your house is massive or your castle is very tiny. Either way, that’s an usual amount of lightbulbs.

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by piva00 on Sunday November 15, 2020 @10:10AM (#25101749)
I just counted my Hue lights in the apartment I live in and got up to 30, 90sqm.

I have some bulbs, 4 spot lights, lightstrips around the living room. Lamps around the studio, bedrooms, living room. If you add bias lighting and indirect light by bouncing off the ceiling you add up quite fast.

Granted, I built up this setup over some time, finding the best use for each set of lights I got but I can definitely see how you could get up to 100+ in a larger house.

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by jiofih on Sunday November 15, 2020 @09:36AM (#25101504)
Easy to reach if you use spot lighting. I counted a bit less than 30 in a (tiny for American standards) 100sqm house.
Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by t0mas88 on Monday November 16, 2020 @12:10PM (#25114138)
Pretty normal house, just under 200 square meter. But for example the kitchen alone has 2 ceiling lamps with 4 spots each, 6 lamps for countertop lighting and 2 in a wall of cabinets. So that's already 16 lamps in only the kitchen. It's more in the living room.

Even a bathroom easily has 6 or 8 in the ceiling, a few near the mirror etc.

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by sp332 on Sunday November 15, 2020 @10:45AM (#25102014)
Well, the Hue bulbs and most of the competition are not very bright.
Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by wmeredith on Sunday November 15, 2020 @08:50AM (#25101153)
What Zigbee switches are you using?
Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by hondadriver on Monday November 16, 2020 @10:08AM (#25112536)
Maybe this is used? US (and Canada?) only though...

https://www.lutron.com/en-US/products/pages/standalonecontro...

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by hondadriver on Monday November 16, 2020 @02:08PM (#25115665)
Also found this : https://www.samotech.co.uk/product-category/samotech-adapter...

Made for UK wall switches.

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by slmkbh on Sunday November 15, 2020 @02:50PM (#25104154)
not GP, but I use Xiaomi 2-gang switches, IKEA 5 button remotes, the old IKEA dimmers, and their on/off remote. At the moment I'm eyeing LIDLs remotes as well... In Denmark

Everything is controlled via Homeassistant+Deconz and a Phoscon Zigbee Dongle.

It's even possible to hack the IKEA switches into the danish wall switches.

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by hondadriver on Sunday November 15, 2020 @03:10PM (#25104345)
Here friends of hue Gira and Ikea 5 button remotes mounted on a blindplate.

Still wondering what @t0mas88 is using...

The upcoming Lidl remote is very interesting indeed, because it has 4 buttons which could be wired to a regular 2 button up/down push switch (e.g. Gira 014700) as cheaper friends of hue alternative.

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by t0mas88 on Monday November 16, 2020 @01:00PM (#25114857)
The Gira here as well, and left physical switches behind them. So in an emergency I can pull them off the wall push the switch that's behind to turn off power.

Also 3d printed a holder for a few places that slots into a Gira frame and holds the Philips Hue Tap button. Allows more control of scenes etc, but the color isn't exactly the same.

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by fyfy18 on Monday November 16, 2020 @12:36AM (#25108440)
Are the originals German style modular switches (e.g. https://new.siemens.com/global/en/products/energy/low-voltag...)? If so, what did you replace them with as I haven't seen any ZigBee switches that fit those.
Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by hondadriver on Sunday November 15, 2020 @02:44PM (#25104107)
Can you please provide a name /brand of the switches you use?

Friends of Hue (Gira and others) with EnOcean comes close, but you'll typically bridge the switch AC wires, so there is nothing to pull out and manually control things as backup.

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by t0mas88 on Monday November 16, 2020 @01:01PM (#25114873)
I use the Friends of Hue but left physical switches (in the on position) under them. So if you pull them open you can turn off the power in an emergency.

And 3d printed a holder for a few rooms that fits the Gira frame and holds a Hue button. Works to control more things (and used it that way in my old house), but the color of Hue isn't exactly the same as the frame.

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by shaftway on Monday November 16, 2020 @01:04AM (#25108602)
Lutron used to make an amazing switch that worked with Hue. It was the Lutron Connected Bulb Remote. You hot-wire the switches behind the wall plate, and screw in a panel that sits right behind the rocker hole. The remote then slots into that. They're great, and when the battery dies you can just pop them out and change it without taking the wallplate off.

If they were held in by magnets then I'd call them the perfect switch for the Hue series.

Unfortunately they discontinued them, and on the used market they're often >$100 per switch.

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by noodlesUK on Sunday November 15, 2020 @02:35PM (#25104040)
Please tell me what switches you are using. Are you in Europe or in the US?
Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by w4tson on Sunday November 15, 2020 @06:08PM (#25105852)
Out of interest, what light switches did you choose?