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Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by WesolyKubeczek on Sunday November 15, 2020 @06:06AM (#25100187)
Or not, as Soviet Union with its workers-owned factories can tell. Ever rode a Soviet car that wasn’t copypasted from Fiat?
Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by tsimionescu on Sunday November 15, 2020 @08:35AM (#25101059)
The Soviet Union didn't have even 1 worker owned factory, unless you're talking about the time before Lenin ever came to power. The factories were owned by the state, which in turn was owned by a dictator and his political apparatus - workers had less freedom to control the factory than Amazon warehouse workers.
Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by WesolyKubeczek on Sunday November 15, 2020 @09:03AM (#25101241)
But they told people they had been worker-owned, and many actually believed it!
Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by tsimionescu on Sunday November 15, 2020 @07:27PM (#25106475)
Yes, they were a despicable regime, and unfortunately their name still mars the idea of socialism. They also claimed they were democratic, and surely many believed that as well, but we haven't let that ruin democracy, so we shouldn't let their laughable claims to socialism ruin socialism.
Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by WesolyKubeczek on Monday November 16, 2020 @11:34AM (#25113649)
You had like 120 years to create a version of socialism that didn't suck, or didn't degenerate into a form of oligarchy under whatever guise du jour you please. I'd call it a failed experiment by now. You know why?

Because "true socialism" (like your true Scotsman) requires ideal übermenschen on all levels everywhere. This is not how the humankind works. Humankind is full of flawed, sometimes outright malicious people, and you have to deal with that.

Most versions of socialism at some point came up with a need to breed ideal happy socialist people that won't keep breaking their paradise all the time. And until this Übermensch is born, they chose to break and bend the rest into behaving, like bonsai trees. Of course, Dear Leader and their team is exempted from being broken or bent, and many others aspire to become like them. This is how every socialist rule to date grew into a totalitarian oligarchy.

Thank you but no thank you. I'd better choose a form of government that adapts to and deals with people as they are, and doesn't try to force them into some better version according to their understanding.

Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by ithkuil on Sunday November 15, 2020 @01:46PM (#25103578)
Wikipedia says:

> The Niva was described by its designers as a "Renault 5 put on a Land Rover chassis"

So I guess one example of a car that was not copypasted from fiat?

Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by jmnicolas on Tuesday November 17, 2020 @03:41AM (#25121405)
> Ever rode a Soviet car that wasn’t copypasted from Fiat?

Isn't the Volga a copy of a Mercedes? ;)