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Re:Using Matrix to replace proprietary and centralized chat ... by eeZah7Ux on Saturday November 14, 2020 @06:56PM (#25096792)
That's right. And the community replies with a smug "you can set it up yourself".

And yet setting a full Matrix stack requires days of work and endless maintenance.

I'd rather use Briar or even Signal.

Re:Using Matrix to replace proprietary and centralized chat ... by remirk on Saturday November 14, 2020 @07:02PM (#25096821)
> And yet setting a full Matrix stack requires days of work and endless maintenance.

This is not true. People, don't let this FUD scare you.

My home server has been running for more than a year, was easy to setup (reading documentation took the most time) and takes little maintenance. Just apt update && apt upgrade.

Edit: and even if reading the documentation takes you 'days of work', you can follow a video of the server being setup in 30 minutes, including a jitsi instance for video conferencing: https://matrix.org/blog/2020/04/06/running-your-own-secure-c...

Re:Using Matrix to replace proprietary and centralized chat ... by eeZah7Ux on Saturday November 14, 2020 @07:14PM (#25096891)
The last time I looked into it - it required:

- buy a VM

- buy a domain

- configure DNS

- apt-get install

- fiddle with SSL certificates

- debug out a memory leak bug

- ask upstream and be told to use an unstable alpha release

- implement a workaround

- start investigating bridges for IRC, Slack, Telegram

- give up

In 2020 we should expect something like Briar:

- install Briar on your ws / phone. There is are no servers. Done.

Re:Using Matrix to replace proprietary and centralized chat ... by remirk on Saturday November 14, 2020 @07:20PM (#25096922)
Well you must have has a real bad experience. That's unfortunate indeed and I understand your frustration.

It is not representative though. You do need a server and a domain name, but that isn't out of place when hosting internet based services like a chat server.

Re:Using Matrix to replace proprietary and centralized chat ... by eeZah7Ux on Saturday November 14, 2020 @08:15PM (#25097194)
The technology to run a low bandwidth protocol over onion services has been around for 10+ years.

That avoids most of the need for domain, DNS configuration, SSL and SSL certificates.

A centralized chat server e.g. IRC runs on a raspberry.

Briar, as I said, runs without servers and provides also blogs and forums.

Re:Using Matrix to replace proprietary and centralized chat ... by ptman on Monday November 16, 2020 @06:43AM (#25110562)