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Re:The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting by thrav on Saturday November 14, 2020 @06:47PM (#25096739)
Yeah, this is a popular saying, but couldn’t be further from the truth for the most successful people.

Generally, they begin with an end in mind. It’s a lot easier to get where you’re going if you know where that is.

Or, as the Cheshire Cat says to Alice, “Which way should I go?” “Where do you want to go?” “I don’t much care.” “Then it doesn’t really matter.” (Abridged)

Re:The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting by ryandrake on Saturday November 14, 2020 @11:41PM (#25098308)
Yea, I'm a big believer in setting goals, and then taking the "most likely" path to get there. My career decision method (disclaimer: it might not work for you) boils down to this:

1. Estimate $X: how much $$$ investment do I need in order for my family to live off interest for Y years so I never work again? For me right now, $X is 5M and Y is 40 years.

2. What do I need to do right now in order to get closer to $X? Maybe it's "study computer engineering". Maybe it's "get a job in tech". Maybe it's "apply for a FAANG company". Maybe it's "Go for promo". Maybe it's "Add more to my retirement savings". Maybe it's even "Change my entire fucking career, I'm at a dead end." Whatever it is will be different for whatever stage of life I'm at.

3. If not at $X, GOTO 1.

4. Retire and do whatever I really want to do with my life.

That's pretty much it for my state machine. I wish I figured this out in my 20s--if I did, I'd be much closer to step 4 than I am now in my 40s.

Re:The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting by hectormalot on Sunday November 15, 2020 @02:48AM (#25099165)
I once read a book that described this line of thinking as the “deferred life plan”.[1]

At some level I think everyone is pushing some part of ‘what I really want to do’ to the future. I know I do. At the same time I think it’s important to remember to enjoy the years leading up to step 4, even if that makes the overall path less efficient.

1: the monk and the riddle

Re:The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting by abdabab on Sunday November 15, 2020 @02:32PM (#25104002)
> to live off interest for Y years

You don’t have to live off interest to retire. 4% withdrawal is good enough [1]. You might be lot closer to retirement than you think.

[1] https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Safe_withdrawal_rates

Re:The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting by burntoutfire on Sunday November 15, 2020 @10:44AM (#25102011)
> Retire and do whatever I really want to do with my life.

Do you know what that is? I suspect most people don't, especially after spending 20+ years in various jobs.

Re:The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting by ryandrake on Sunday November 15, 2020 @11:54AM (#25102572)
Oh yea. I have a long list of things I'd be doing if I wasn't filling out TPS reports 5 days a week. Some of them I've already started, but on nights and weekends. I can't wait to retire, and know exactly how I'd take advantage of the time!
Re:The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting by dvtrn on Saturday November 14, 2020 @07:20PM (#25096918)
Yeah, this is a popular saying, but couldn’t be further from the truth for the most successful people.

Probably. What about the rest of us who aren't really looking to those people for any kind of framework? Part of the whole "thinking there's a grand narrative" that caused me anxiety was trying to model after all of these "successful" people, what they were doing, and realizing I wasn't any happier for it.

Lately, what's brought me a lot of calm wasn't the chase of an "end state" (so to speak) but more optimizing my path. That, personally, and only speaking personally has been INFINITELY more rewarding.

If that's the "it" factor, then so be it ;)

Re:The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting by hanoz on Saturday November 14, 2020 @10:26PM (#25097958)
I'm not sure the Cheshire Cat was really extolling the virtues of knowing where you want to get to.
Re:The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting by nightski on Saturday November 14, 2020 @08:44PM (#25097392)
By successful you probably mean in the monetary sense. I think it's easy when you choose that as your goal. Not everyone strives for that. Especially software engineers who have enough where it sometimes already feels like excess and going after more becomes less attractive.
Re:The Prestige Trap: finance, big tech, and consulting by seppin on Sunday November 15, 2020 @01:29PM (#25103443)
> Yeah, this is a popular saying, but couldn’t be further from the truth for the most successful people.

Sergey and Larry tried to sell Google for 1 million dollars, and failed. Zuck thought Facebook would never be profitable. The idea that "successful people" have plan all along is fiction.

They might have a vision and are pursuing said vision, but things rarely turn out anywhere near the way they are intended.