Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look

Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by smnrchrds on Saturday November 14, 2020 @05:57PM (#25096465)

They backup the private key to iCloud unless you manually disable backups. So even though iMessage is advertised as E2E encrypted, for the vast majority of users, Apple can read each and every message.

(And even if you disable backups, Apple can still read most if not all of your messages, because the persons on the other side of the conversations have not disabled backups)

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Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by tlburke on Saturday November 14, 2020 @07:24PM (#25096945)

It's worth noting that Google, the big bad guys of privacy, uses a proper E2E encryption scheme.

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Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by olliej on Monday November 16, 2020 @03:07PM (#25116369)

iMessages is e2e encrypted, so I’m not sure what you’re saying here

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Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by catlifeonmars on Saturday November 14, 2020 @06:09PM (#25096550)

Can Apple read your iCloud storage? I’m not saying that it is, but shouldn’t that be encrypted at rest with a customer-specific key?

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Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by claudeganon on Sunday November 15, 2020 @02:24AM (#25099067)

Yeah, they can read everything:

https://sneak.berlin/20200604/if-zoom-is-wrong-so-is-apple/

They were going to actually encrypt it, but suddenly had a change of heart after the FBI had a chat with them:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...

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Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by catlifeonmars on Saturday November 21, 2020 @02:57AM (#25168419)

Ugh

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Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by EwanToo on Saturday November 14, 2020 @06:48PM (#25096746)

I don't have any detailed knowledge of it, but I've seen various similar comments based on this article and similar ones:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...

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Re:Does Apple really log every app you run? A technical look by Spivak on Saturday November 14, 2020 @08:17PM (#25097207)

This stance undermines the point of E2E. The messaging system is still E2E even if people backup their plaintext messages or their key on non-E2E storage.

Having you messages deleted because you forgot your iCloud password is good security but a terrible default.

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