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Re:A court ruling in Austria could censor the internet world... by alpaca128 on Saturday November 14, 2020 @11:10AM (#25093152)
This isn't specific to politicians. Calling someone a fascist in public(meaning 10+ witnesses I think) is considered defamation and, yes, if you cannot prove such claims it can have consequences.

Note that this does not apply to just any kind of insult as you say. It's for cases when it's considered harmful for one's public image, as usual with defamation. I've never heard of a simple "Idiot!" leading to any consequences. I don't know why it's "incredibly fascist" to win a defamation case when someone called you a fascist in the open. Though I do admit that it's hard to draw a clear line with these things, and there are arguments for both sides as long as it doesn't steer towards censorship.

Re:A court ruling in Austria could censor the internet world... by bigbubba on Saturday November 14, 2020 @11:44AM (#25093418)
When courts gatekeep criticism of politicians, that is fascist. Austria's history of fascism makes this even worse, since they of all people should know better.
Re:A court ruling in Austria could censor the internet world... by anigbrowl on Saturday November 14, 2020 @02:29PM (#25094898)
Stop arguing with a false premise.

The issue here is whether courts in Austria have the right to constrain people's public statements to some standard of demonstrable truthfulness, or not.

Re:A court ruling in Austria could censor the internet world... by Sargos on Saturday November 14, 2020 @06:07PM (#25096541)
From the Western viewpoint the answer is clearly no, but Austria will keep walking down that path regardless of whether it's morally right.
Re:A court ruling in Austria could censor the internet world... by emn13 on Sunday November 15, 2020 @05:35AM (#25100000)
That's simply not true; including in the US. Libel statutes make distinctions between true and false statements, and between knowingly misleading statements and honest mistakes. Do you think truth should be irrelevant? I don't think society is stable under those conditions, but certainly that's not the law now.

There's no meaningful slippery slope here either; because the vast majority of cases don't involve anything questionably true, they clearly involve statements that have evidence or do not, and where there's doubt, the protections are generally fairly solid (this is in the news often enough too; witness how Musk's knowingly false and clearly negative "pedo guy" comment was still not ruled defamation).

What's worse is the fact that you don't need to win a defamation lawsuit to punish someone if you're much wealthier than the defendant, because too many jurisdictions let each side pay their own legal costs - such that those wanting to stifle dissent can often simply threaten legal action, even knowing full well they'd lose. The point doesn't need to be to win, the point can simply be to impose costs that are felt unevenly.

Re:A court ruling in Austria could censor the internet world... by bxk1 on Saturday November 14, 2020 @11:19AM (#25093217)
These things could easily end up in ECHR, because a "fascist", just like an "idiot", could be considered an opinion, judgement, not a fact and so it cannot be false, unless it means something very specific in Austria.
Re:A court ruling in Austria could censor the internet world... by alpaca128 on Saturday November 14, 2020 @11:29AM (#25093276)
It doesn't mean anything else in Austria, but do keep in mind Austria as well as Germany is still sensitive about such topics due to their past, which is also why denying the holocaust or doing the Hitler salute is illegal.

Which doesn't mean there aren't some stupid, backwards laws that have no place in today's society, like for example the blasphemy law which weirdly still exists. There will always be room for improvement and it's never wrong to question established rules.