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Re:So you've made a mistake and it's public by laughinghan on Friday November 13, 2020 @04:24PM (#25087689)
I'm not sure apologizing publicly has made anything better for any individual

Sure it has, for example Dan Harmon's public apology to Megan Ganz: https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/1/11/16879702/dan-harmon-ap...

Public apologies, therefore, are the metaphorical equivalent of blood in the water for attracting sharks.

What are some examples of public apologies that met all 5 of these criteria [1], but made things worse rather than better? Would you consider the possibility that maybe the apologies that made things worse were actually done wrong, but they could have helped if they were done right?

More generally, apologies, restorative justice, truth and reconciliation, and related ideas seem to me like the obvious and only way to we can heal from injustice in our society. Refusing to admit fault seems obviously corrosive to society, and to a person's ego.

[1]: https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/12/5/16710430/sexual-har...

[Edit: man, I feel stupid for complaining about downvotes, but I am really not sure how I could have been more constructive with my disagreement in this comment. I cited examples, suggested an alternative explanation for observations my parent described, and didn't criticize anyone. What did I do wrong? I am ready and willing to apologize if I made any mistakes]

Re:So you've made a mistake and it's public by humannature1 on Saturday November 14, 2020 @02:57PM (#25095111)
This is a great apology. Of course, he was wrong. Very wrong. But, I think there is one power dynamic that's missing in the entire #metoo discussion.

The power advantage that young women have on men; due to evolutionary pressures. Harmon didn't mean to be attracted to her. It happened.

I know biology isn't important in 2020. But I listened to his apology and realized that the human nature discussion is never part of this situation.

Ted Chiang's "liking what you see a documentary" is a good case study of a world where attraction's turned off. As a woman, I sometimes think we aren't empathic enough about how attraction works in men. It doesn't mean they are excused for sexual harassment. I just think evolutionary pressures should be part of the discussion.

Neither person should be setup to fail.