Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by lliamander on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:43AM (#25067778)

In my experience mobile cpus run at about 75%-90% the single-core performance of desktop counterparts. Zen 3 APUs will be close.

Isn't the M1 fabbed on TSMC 5nm? Zen 3 is on 7nm. If a Zen 3 APU will run close to Apple Silicon I will be mightily impressed.

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Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by The_Colonel on Thursday November 12, 2020 @05:46AM (#25068521)

Best single core scores for Ryzen 2 on Passmark:

* 3800X (105W desktop) scores 2855

* 4900H (45W mobile) scores 2707 or 95% of 3800X

* 4750U (15W mobile) scores 2596 or 91% of 3800X

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Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by lliamander on Thursday November 12, 2020 @04:42PM (#25075471)

That's pretty good. For geekbench we see:

* 3800XT = 1357 (100%)

* 4800H = 1094 (~80%)

* 4800U = 1033 (~76%)

I would expect a 5800U to score at best around 1500, but realistically closer to 1300-1450. That's still behind the M1, but pretty darn close for being behind a node (and will still probably be faster for applications that would require x86 translation).

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Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by YetAnotherNick on Thursday November 12, 2020 @10:02AM (#25070584)

They are not even of same series. 3700U(fastest Ryzen 3000 15W processor) single core is 57.5% of 3700X(not the fastest Ryzen 3000 desktop).

Source:

[1]: https://browser.geekbench.com/processors/amd-ryzen-7-3700x

[2]: https://browser.geekbench.com/processors/amd-ryzen-7-3700u

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Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by trynumber9 on Thursday November 12, 2020 @10:53AM (#25071123)

AMD's naming scheme has mislead you.

Renoir is 7nm Zen 2 aka the 4000 series. https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/cores/renoir

Matisse is also 7nm Zen 2 aka the desktop 3000 series. https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/Matisse

Picasso is 12nm Zen+ aka the mobile 3000 series. https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/cores/picasso

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Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by ernesth on Thursday November 12, 2020 @05:21AM (#25068392)

So you mean Apple has this huge advantage of 5nm compared to 7nm but failed to outperform AMD? What a failure.

(that was sarcasm. My take is this performance is impressive but you should not be surprised if it does not completely outperform CPUs that should be less efficient)

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Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by lliamander on Thursday November 12, 2020 @04:51PM (#25075587)

> So you mean Apple has this huge advantage of 5nm compared to 7nm but failed to outperform AMD?

I understand you are being sarcastic, but no, that's not what's not what I'm saying.

It is Apple Silicon that is faster (at least on paper). I'm saying I think even though AMD will have worse perf/watt, I think it will get impressively close despite it's less efficient fabrication process.

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