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Re:One pollster’s explanation for why the polls got it wrong by vkou on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @12:46AM (#25055841)
Do you not think that the mainstream Republican party has moved radically rightward over the past 12 years?

It's not spending its energy discussing Laffer curves and energy policy, and whether or not someone can be fired from their job for being gay, or if we should invade another Middle Eastern country anymore. It's spending its energy seriously talking about QAnon, and how the COVID pandemic is over, and and how there's a vast liberal conspiracy that destroyed the integrity of this country's elections, and how their president will think about whether or not he will step down if he were to lose the election.

These aren't weird views held by a bunch of powerless cranks on the party's fringe. This is the sort of stuff that the party bet the farm on this year, and has largely paid off with the voters.

In any sane world, an impartial observer would look at that, and conclude that it is all absolutely crazy. But we no longer live in a sane world, so there's now no shortage of people apologizing for, cheerleading, or just ignoring that kind of behaviour in their elected officials.

Re:One pollster’s explanation for why the polls got it wrong by mastazi on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @02:53AM (#25056370)
> But we no longer live in a sane world

One way to deal with this type of dysphoria would be to spend some quality time with people who hold views different from the ones you have, and it would be much better if you didn't do that online, but in person - for reasons that I'm sure you understand well, since you are an HN reader.

Or, you decide that everyone on the other side of the fence is completely bollocks. But will this make your life better?

Re:One pollster’s explanation for why the polls got it wrong by vkou on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @04:32AM (#25056911)
I have two friends whose parents have gone down first the anti-vaxx, then the flat earth, and more recently the QAnon rabbit hole.

They describe it like losing a family member to a drug addiction, or a cult. Quality time with their own family is no longer a thing that can happen, because how dare the children suggest that basic pandemic precautions be taken, or even think of supporting the vast pedophilic democratic conspiracy.

Pray tell, how should they bridge that chasm? This is a serious question.

It's well and good and morally smug to suggest that the problem is that 'you don't spend enough time talking to people holding insane beliefs'. The problem is that you can't use reason or empathy to get someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

Re:One pollster’s explanation for why the polls got it wrong by mastazi on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @05:09PM (#25063602)
> Pray tell, how should they bridge that chasm? This is a serious question.

It's not a serious question, it's a self righteous rhetorical question.

Re:One pollster’s explanation for why the polls got it wrong by vkou on Thursday November 12, 2020 @04:15PM (#25075151)
Instead of grousing about the tone of the question, could you answer it?

I'd be happy to forward your suggestions to them - they'd appreciate being able to visit their parents every once in a while without being subjected to a firehose of crazy.

Yesterday's flavor of that unsolicited firehose was "They called those four states for Trump, and Biden is at 215 now."

Re:One pollster’s explanation for why the polls got it wrong by mastazi on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @07:43AM (#25057836)
I was talking about opposite side of the political spectrum but obviously not insane people.

It seems you are grossly mischaracterising people of a certain political orientation which brings me to think that maybe you never really attempted real contact and/or you didn’t try hard.

Some of those conspiracies you mentioned don’t even have any link with any specific position on the political spectrum e.g. here in Sydney some politically progressive suburbs are amongst those with the lowest vaccination rates and as you probably know this is also true in many other large cities across the world https://www.smh.com.au/healthcare/rich-suburbs-have-low-immu...

Re:One pollster’s explanation for why the polls got it wrong by pydry on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @05:00AM (#25057050)
I've done that. It doesn't really help because there's no effective, scalable antidote to enragement engagement, herd behavior and people who are susceptible to emotional manipulation.

It's not like red state people have a monopoly on this behavior, but it seems to be a bit more common among them.

Politically we seem to be in some sort of positive feedback loop of anger/fear/suffering -> lashing out -> more anger/fear/suffering. It's scary.

Re:One pollster’s explanation for why the polls got it wrong by mastazi on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @07:49AM (#25057874)
Even in person? What you described is normal online but I would think it wouldn’t happen so often when you are face to face