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Re:How to get root on Ubuntu 20.04 by pretending nobody’s /home by npsimons on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @08:11PM (#25054396)
> Does Debian actually change upstream significantly? I thought they kept things fairly vanilla.

IME, they do keep things fairly vanilla, and I speak as someone who has run Debian since . . . I wanna say 2002? Plus I've done kernel dev work, and Debian's kernel patches ain't nothing compared to what RedHat used to do.

Re:How to get root on Ubuntu 20.04 by pretending nobody’s /home by freedomben on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @09:41PM (#25054978)
I maintain a custom/forked driver[1] and support both Fedora/RHEL/CentOS and Ubuntu, and while Ubuntu has gotten much better, in years past I actually had to manage Ubuntu specific branches because they were so hacked up with custom patches from Canonical. I would spend more time fixing Ubuntu weirdness than I would all other distros combined. It's gotten much better the past several releases though, so thank you to Canonical for that :-)

The various RPM flavors keep their kernels vanilla enough that I can mostly just rebase on top of linux-stable, and it's been that way since I started 7 years ago (according to github).

Arch is the winner. I've never had to make a custom patch for Arch.

Disclaimer: I work for Red Hat but opinions are my own

[1]: https://github.com/FreedomBen/rtl8188ce-linux-driver

Re:How to get root on Ubuntu 20.04 by pretending nobody’s /home by npsimons on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @09:44AM (#25058782)
Fair enough, but I don't put Ubuntu in the same class as Debian, because while they may share many base packages in common, I do seem to remember them patching the kernel more than Debian, and usually stuff that would break my kernel dev too. Hence another reason I'm not on Ubuntu.
Re:How to get root on Ubuntu 20.04 by pretending nobody’s /home by freedomben on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @10:04AM (#25058932)
Agreed. On a related but different note it does seem like Debian gets (unfairly) painted with light generated by Ubuntu. I run Debian on some machines and most of the issues I have with Ubuntu are not problems on Debian (such as: Snap obsession and forcing, Abandoned/system-wrecking PPAs that are hard to recover from, etc)