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Re:Apple unveils M1, its first system-on-a-chip for portable... by w0utert on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @03:39PM (#25051607)
I like it as well, especially in applications like CLion/IntelliJ which have tons of keybindings I keep forgetting because they are different between Linux and macOS. The context-sensitive touch bar is actually very useful in these applications for things like rebuilding, changing targets, stepping through the debugger etc. without having to use the mouse.

There's a lot of things to complain about with Apple products, but if you ask me there's been enough touch bar bashing by now and people should just get over it. It's pretty useful in some situations, and IMO no real downsides, especially now that the esc key is a real physical key again. Why all the hate?

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Re:Apple unveils M1, its first system-on-a-chip for portable... by fomine3 on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @07:40PM (#25054172)
Physical F keys are still useful so why not both?
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Re:Apple unveils M1, its first system-on-a-chip for portable... by w0utert on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @05:40AM (#25057251)
If you hold Fn you get the traditional row of function keys, which seems like a pretty good tradeoff. And if you really hate that, you can simply configure the touch bar to always display them, in which case literally the only downside is that they are not physical keys anymore. Do people really touch-type the function keys so heavily that this becomes a an actual annoyance and not just an ideological one?

Adding an extra row of physical keys that do the same thing as the row of virtual function keys, at the expense of trackpad size and possibly ergonomic (harder to reach the touch bar) doesn't make a lot of sense IMO.

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Re:Apple unveils M1, its first system-on-a-chip for portable... by jki275 on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @12:37PM (#25060562)
You can’t hit them without looking at the bar, because you have nothing to index your fingers on.

The touchbar is the second worst thing Apple has ever done in the history of the Mac, following closely on that abomination of a “keyboard” they used from 2016-2019.

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Re:Apple unveils M1, its first system-on-a-chip for portable... by headmelted on Friday November 13, 2020 @10:21AM (#25083146)
I liked the keyboard too.
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Re:Apple unveils M1, its first system-on-a-chip for portable... by zkomp on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @02:28AM (#25056241)
And if you ask me, It has not been enough touch bar bashing...

I’ve opted to buy a 2015 Mac Book Pro this year, it might be easier to get over apple than the touch bar even...

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Re:Apple unveils M1, its first system-on-a-chip for portable... by arvinsim on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @09:22PM (#25054870)
The only time that there would be enough touch bar bashing is when Apple listens and give users an option to have function keys instead.
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Re:Apple unveils M1, its first system-on-a-chip for portable... by headmelted on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @03:48AM (#25056671)
Pretty sure they just did. The MacBook Air is virtually identical now save for the absence of a fan and the Touch Bar.
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Re:Apple unveils M1, its first system-on-a-chip for portable... by afjl on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @07:05PM (#25053864)
My guess - that you couldn't get a Macbook without the TouchBar. I'd like to be able to choose between a Macbook with or without a TouchBar, but with otherwise entirely identical specs.

I've been holding out on upgrading my 2013 MBP (mostly out of frugality) to a newer version, mostly due to the butterfly keys and the TouchBar.

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