I wrote a post about it above. I live in the bluest of blue states, which in the other comments here, in that narrative, you expect cooperation and all this stuff. A false media narrative, if I do say so, but that's not the point - the point is no one trusts the folks behind the technology, nor do we trust random phone numbers.

So the Citizen App has contact tracing. But you have to check into the app, and furthermore, do you trust some private company with the information? About you? Your location and all this ? And contact tracing via government calling you - do you trust random numbers calling you and asking you questions? No one knows when Silicon Valley (in the case of the app) wants to steal some more of your private data, and no one knows when some phisher is phishing as opposed to some volunteer calling you up for contact tracing.

There's a breakdown of trust.

Oh, and saying, 'maybe this administration' is further evidence of that. I live in a blue state, and your perceptions are, I believe, wrong, about the magic around that or the cooperation of the citizenry.

Exactly this. I'm not installing anything on my phone, and I don't answer phone calls that are not from my contacts. I've never been tested because I don't trust the testing companies.

If I'm sick, I'll stay home. I wear a mask where I'm required to. That's the limit of my participation in this hysteria.

Well over 250,000 dead Americans with over 100,000 new cases per day and your word is "hysteria"? I'd rather use the word "crisis." In a bad year the flu kills 61,000 here. We're over four times that now and with no signs of slowing down.

And I'm really not sure what there isn't to trust about the testing companies.

I'm not that extreme. I'm happy with being tested, and I'll be happy with vaccines and so forth.

It's Silicon Valley and its entire "you signed an agreement, you belong to us" morality and "get your attention span" business model that I distrust. Well, that and phishing phone calls/texts (I seem to get those regularly, after all this time).

I assume you're talking about the US.

My belief is that contact tracing is a cultural non-starter here. There are people who protest with large, semi-automatic rifles because they don't want to wear masks inside private businesses.

There's absolutely no way they're going to trust a contact-tracing process championed by the government, even if there's no way for the government to access the data.

I suspect much of the population will continue to ignore the virus and winter weather will cause a spike that will cripple hospitals.

They don't mean make sure everyone is comfortable with it. They mean by force via executive order and penalty of fines or imprisonment. If people don't want to obey they will make you obey and a large part of the country thinks this is a great idea.

Please don't push false narratives here. There has never been a mention of an executive order, let alone fines or imprisonment.

Are you kidding me? Its all over the news. Have you read a single article since the election? Literally every single article is talking about the executive actions he's going to take. And the consequences for violating an executive order are fines and imprisonment.

Maybe they should compare your throwaway account Ip with the rest of the account ips and see if this is a sock puppet account.

Select ip_addy as source_ip from account_log where account_name=throwaway4220 join account_log on ip_addy=source_ip

Ban you.

Please stop pushing your fantasy narratives and puppet accounts here please.

This will never happen, no matter how much you want it to. Nobody but isolated pockets of extremists think this way.

It appears one person's "extremism" is another person's "wisdom". If you've ever worked in state/federal government you'll get the sentiment. Sure it's speculative, but definitely not extremist.

I'm screenshotting this comment.

Why? Sounds hostile and isn’t additive. Go ahead, flag. I am not the throwaway account you commented under.

If you don't mind me saying, Nick is just claiming your comment won't age well.

I forgot comments can't be deleted from HN.

I'll be responding to you early to mid 2021 with a link to an article about Bidens executive order for a mask mandate.

Our rate of transmission is too high to do a nationwide contact tracing effort I think. We need to reduce the daily number of cases before we properly implement a contact tracing program.

Perhaps a better way to say this: we need to implement a national contact tracing program immediately so that when the transmission rate declines to manageable levels it is operational.