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Re:EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf] by marcus_holmes on Monday November 09, 2020 @07:18AM (#25033962)
This. It gets framed as "encryption = child abuse" and anyone who supports private encryption is obviously a pedo.

There doesn't appear to be an emotional argument the other way - I guess "so you're happy with random police officers[0] browsing your nudes, then?".

It needs to be framed as an emotional argument, because that's what cuts through to the audience these days. Only HN is interested in logical discussions ;)

[0] Actually, not even police officers - there is always an escalation of government departments able to access data that was originally captured to prevent serious crime.

Re:EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf] by JumpCrisscross on Monday November 09, 2020 @10:18AM (#25035622)
> so you're happy with random police officers[0] browsing your nudes, then?

Your kids’ photos.

Many people don’t have nudes on their phones. Most people do have photos of their kids and know their kids have sensitive photos of themselves. “Think of the children” can be flipped if you can get the public suspicious of spooks.

Re:EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf] by foldr on Monday November 09, 2020 @10:54AM (#25036030)
>I guess "so you're happy with random police officers[0] browsing your nudes, then?".

I agree with your point, but I think a lot of people aren't actually too worried about the specific case of random police officers seeing their nude selfies.

Re:EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf] by nitrogen on Monday November 09, 2020 @12:22PM (#25037096)
It's hard to convey the idea that a real person is behind the faceless snooping, but usually people don't want a real person looking at their private info. "Do you want the cop who pulls your daughter over for forgetting to put the new sticker on her license plate to be able to look up all her beach photos during the stop?"
Re:EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf] by stjohnswarts on Monday November 09, 2020 @10:43PM (#25042624)
Cops want to be able to see everything. I don't think it comes necessarily from want to see nude in particular. Government likes power, the more they get, the more they want. That includes cops. They can't think beyond their own mind often. Most people would probably (at the beginning) use backdoors responsibly, but when it becomes mundane they will use it all the time and without compuncture. This leads to power grabs and politicization. If it's not an option at all, it helps a lot.
Re:EU Draft Council Declaration Against Encryption [pdf] by marcus_holmes on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @09:12AM (#25046092)
This. Hence the proliferation of government access to CCTV footage that was originally collected for "serious crime" only.

It'll start out with "we only need to break your e2e encryption for serious crime cases", but in 10 years your local council will be breaking into your dm's to see if you used the right recycling bin.