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Re:Looking for Voter Fraud (In Old Elections) with Data Visu... by mistermann on Sunday November 08, 2020 @10:39PM (#25031244)
> In practice, interested parties observe the process.

On paper, interested parties are supposed to observe the process. What actually happens in physical reality does not always match the guidelines laid out on paper.

> It's relatively difficult to pull off hoodwink when you've got adversarial observers standing there.

I read assurances about what happens in physical reality on a regular basis. Often, these assurances are not actually correct (in no small part because the person providing the assurances was not actually physically present).

I am not asserting that something improper has occurred here, but when journalists are asserting unequivocally and in unison that nothing improper has happened, because the US election system is non-exploitable (while providing zero evidence of this), after having just finished telling me in unison for the last 4 years that Russia "hacked" the 2016 election, I hope you can pardon me if I'm not too keen on taking evidence-free assurances on pure faith.

There was a lot going on across a huge number of voting stations that evening, the notion that not one single thing went wrong is a bit of an extraordinary claim, especially coming from a group of people who don't exactly have a pristine track record of bias or accuracy.

I doubt we'll ever find the truth, or even exert any significant effort in discovering it - that's just the way it is and I can accept that. But it's frustrating that the public is so accepting of this state of affairs.

Re:Looking for Voter Fraud (In Old Elections) with Data Visu... by the1pato on Sunday November 08, 2020 @11:05PM (#25031361)
> I am not asserting that something improper has occurred here, but when journalists are asserting unequivocally and in unison that nothing improper has happened, because the US election system is non-exploitable (while providing zero evidence of this),

Yeah, this in particular has been very weird.

Re:Looking for Voter Fraud (In Old Elections) with Data Visu... by tempestn on Monday November 09, 2020 @01:59AM (#25032077)
It's an even more extraordinary claim that widespread fraud did occur—a claim Trump was making in advance, before the votes were even cast, and continued to make, as expected. What I'm seeing from most media outlets are not claims that it didn't or couldn't occur, but simply that Trump is making the accusation without any evidence. Add to that the fact that he's been claiming fraud before the election even started, and it's pretty clear this was his strategy all along to cast doubt on an election he expected to lose (just like in 2016).
Re:Looking for Voter Fraud (In Old Elections) with Data Visu... by mistermann on Monday November 09, 2020 @11:07AM (#25036192)
I do not disagree. But at the end of the day, there is:

- that which occured in reality

- our measurements (best possible effort, or not, often with unknown(!) accuracy) of that which occured in reality

- what the media (and individual persons) say has occurred in reality (sometimes based on measurements (accurately, or not), sometimes completely made up)

These are almost always not equal, especially in complex situations like this. That the media and intelligent people cannot acknowledge this without resistance is rather alarming, to me. Mainstream thinking is increasingly starting to resemble that which is usually attributed only to conspiracy theorists.

Re:Looking for Voter Fraud (In Old Elections) with Data Visu... by amanaplanacanal on Monday November 09, 2020 @12:03PM (#25036867)
> for the last 4 years that Russia "hacked" the 2016 election

There is a difference between disinformation before the election and actually changing ballots, as you well know.

Re:Looking for Voter Fraud (In Old Elections) with Data Visu... by maxerickson on Sunday November 08, 2020 @11:10PM (#25031380)
There's lots of right wing media that said other shit. in unison is just not true.

I think you are overstating other stuff also, but meh.