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Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by arcticbull on Sunday November 08, 2020 @02:15PM (#25028113)
> Trump doesn't define what socialism is or is not. Taxes are a taking of the proceeds of an enterprise, the more taken the more the owner is de facto the government.

In a socialist society there is no concept of individual property and therefore no concept of taxation. The concept of taxation is unique to a capitalist society. Beyond that, I'd say that what the taxes are used for defines whether it leans socialist or not.

Further, I disagree, taking the proceeds does not exert control or ownership until the level is substantially higher than it is now. Either way, a business' income apportionment doesn't matter as much these days thanks to the rise of equity.

> [Rent Control] It's local and state Democratic policy, and it certainly is socialistic.

Rent control is interesting, as I firmly disagree with it -- for being bad policy. I can see how this policy diminishes the value of personal property, though I could get behind it if it worked. The most effective approach I've seen that strengthens private property rights while also providing for the average citizen is the Singapore HDB model. [1] 78% of Singaporeans live in HDB government housing, and the rest have zero government imposition whatsoever.

> [California Gender Law] Of course it is. It applies to business and how they are run.

This is a state issue, as you pointed out. I will say though, that I tend to subdivide regulations into "for the greater good" type redistributive regulation (which I think you could make a claim is socialist leaning in a mixed economy), and "capturing externalities" regulation. The free market has shown a total inability to capture externalities, and as such, certain classes of regulation are required for a property functioning market economy. IMO doing so actually net strengthens property rights.

> [Single Payer] "It comes from the left"

I mean, agree to disagree on this one. I see it as the same degree of socialist as a DMV, police station or fire station. A necessity for a functioning free-market economy, and not a business. I believe having a socialized healthcare system strengthens private property ownership, private enterprise and the free market on the whole.

> Do you believe Biden's central economic planners will put the charging stations in the optimal place? I don't.

I don't believe Biden will have "central economic planners" -- the Democrat's will do the same thing government always does in the US. Find a private company, and have them do it.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore

Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by WalterBright on Sunday November 08, 2020 @04:26PM (#25029211)
> The free market has shown a total inability to capture externalities

Yeah, which is why I regularly propose taxes on pollution to "internalize the externalities".

Free market capitalism requires a functioning government, at the least to provide protection of our rights and enforcement of contracts. This requires police, a court system, and a military to defend it all.

Single payer health care is not a necessity for a functioning free market economy, any more than the government must run collective farms.

> Find a private company, and have them do it.

Government contracting is not free market, and suffers from most of the ills of the government doing it directly.

> I don't believe Biden will have "central economic planners"

Of course Biden will. You can't oversee $2 trillion in spending otherwise.

Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by arcticbull on Sunday November 08, 2020 @10:54PM (#25031303)
> Single payer health care is not a necessity for a functioning free market economy, any more than the government must run collective farms.

See this is where we disagree. I believe healthcare is necessary for a an functioning capitalist system to exist. I do not describe the existing setup as functional.