Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by bawolff on Saturday November 07, 2020 @04:53PM (#25019896)

> Similarly, we’ve been after real change in the Mideast for decades across multiple admins from both parties. We’ve never had movement.

Have to go back a little further than that, the romans also wanted change in the middle east and didn't have much luck.

> Basically we’ve taken a totalitarian and repressive state and made them a rich totalitarian and repressive state.

I'd say under trump we have taken a rich toltalitarian and reppressive state and turned them into a rich toltalitarian/reppressive state with new friends in high places.

Just because something is a change does not make it a change for the better. Maybe the previous policy was trying to hold back the tide and failing. Opening the floodgates is a change, but i'm not sure its a good change, even if holding back the tide was a failure on slow motion.

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Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by aksss on Saturday November 07, 2020 @06:29PM (#25020866)

Are you saying any of the above policy shifts (NK, CN, Mideast) have opened the floodgates on something bad relative to the preceding policies? Or is this just a theoretical point? At worst they’ve done nothing (NK). I can cite several overdue improvements in Mideast and China policy though.

By “we” I mean the United States, and by real change by last several admins, I’m of course referring to attempts to break the stalemate between Israel and the other ME nations after the wars (six years, etc), not world wars. Necessarily time-bound. Not sure what Romans have to do with this unless you’re making a point about futility? The Romans certainly impacted the near East for hundreds of years, right?

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