Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ...
by listenallyall on Saturday November 07, 2020 @03:17PM
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I'm not saying such people don't exist -- I'm saying pollsters either claimed to have adjusted the models to account for this phenomenon, or the pollsters claimed they don't exist.
There certainly were some skeptics of the polls, but these skeptics were generally marginalized or dismissed.
The point is, most media outlets who reported poll results did so with the assumption that the poll results would reflect the actual results -- NOT that the polls results needed to be adjusted.
Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ...
by xbar on Saturday November 07, 2020 @04:11PM
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It's clear now that Shy Trump Voters existed. Some opinion pages trafficked in arguments against their existence.
I think of them in terms that our Austrian friend described.
Some pollsters were better at accounting for them.
I avoid "most media outlets" language and try to look at the data.
Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ...
by atoav on Saturday November 07, 2020 @04:05PM
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I don't think they accounted for it. These are people you can't poll
Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ...
by skinkestek on Sunday November 08, 2020 @09:54AM
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There was one small polling company who claimed they had a methodology:
instead of asking directly who someone would vote for they asked a number of other questions first to warm them up etc.
They predicted way more Trump votes - and were summarily ridiculed by mainstream pollsters I think.
I know those people in person. They are people who will tell even their spouse they vote the left wing candidate, but after the 6th beer they will tell you how they really want the strong guy in charge (note: Hitler is from Austria, voting the rightwing guy can still be a taboo for certain people).
So these people do exist. If it is just them who make up the difference — no idea, but they exist.