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Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by matsemann on Saturday November 07, 2020 @02:49PM (#25018380)
Are the lives saved before or after including the hundreds of thousands of covid related deaths?
Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by jebronie on Saturday November 07, 2020 @05:19PM (#25020134)
What moral calculus allows deaths from a pandemic, even if the by-product of negligence and mismanagement, to be placed on the same moral plane as deaths from bombs, drones, tanks and bullets, or the displacement of tens of millions of people from the War on Terror, or the slave markets and anarchy that still persist after the NATO bombing of Libya championed by Hillary Clinton and Samantha Power, or the world’s worst humanitarian crisis from the U.S.-supported bombing campaign of Yemen that began under Obama?

- Glenn Greenwald

Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by matsemann on Sunday November 08, 2020 @03:18AM (#25024082)
It's not about morality, but about responsibility.
Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by dzhiurgis on Sunday November 08, 2020 @04:02PM (#25029005)
I'd say he failed to start any wars because he was just beyond incompetent...
Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by jebronie on Saturday November 07, 2020 @03:06PM (#25018649)
Trump has not created the virus and followed the independent advice of Dr. Fauci. The UK, Spain and Belgium (all with the advantage of socialized healthcare) did even worse judging by per capita deaths. So he can't be that bad. I also think its quite disingenuous to compare his handling of the virus to the suffering and deaths caused by wars that only serve to establish economic and power advantages.
Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by jackson1442 on Saturday November 07, 2020 @06:42PM (#25020991)
> and followed the independent advice of Dr. Fauci

Care to point out to me where he did this? As far as I can tell, he wants to fire Fauci, has continuously disregarded his advice, and loves undermining him:

* https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-rally-fire-fauci-chants-a...

* similar, via AP https://apnews.com/article/trump-threatens-fire-fauci-rift-d...

* https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/25/trumps-du...

* https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-wears-face-mask-in-pu... (note the date on this one-- 11 july)

* https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/19/us/politics/trump-fauci-c...

* https://apnews.com/article/00a1dc6f5932c9fe778ee5e9cabacc71

Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by justinzollars on Saturday November 07, 2020 @02:56PM (#25018498)
The Syrian proxy war killed 500,000 Syrians. The war in Iraq killed 1 million.
Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by ttt0 on Sunday November 08, 2020 @07:31AM (#25025367)
People are dying from Covid in every country, regardless of who's in charge and what the approach is. Maybe I'm just crazy, but I really don't think that people would just magically stop dying under Biden.
Re:Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided ... by ben_w on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @03:39PM (#25062712)
New Zealand’s most recent registered Covid death was September 16th: https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/nz

Mongolia has zero in total: https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/mn

Even China is doing pretty well, with a current daily rate in the low single digits, compared to the hundreds to low thousands of the USA and the similarly poor performance of European and South American countries: https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/cn