News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Voters rejecting the war on drugs is a win for public health by dantheman on Saturday November 07, 2020 @12:15PM (#25016433)
If you legalize consumption but not production and sale - you make the black market thrive and basically sponsor organized crime. Full legalization is the only moral and practical approach.
Re:Voters rejecting the war on drugs is a win for public health by viraptor on Saturday November 07, 2020 @12:23PM (#25016494)
There's some threshold you probably don't want to legalise. With less addictive alternatives being available, do you really think that heroin production should ever be legalised?

Otherwise what's to stop someone from creating a custom highly addictive drug purely for maximising profit? There are labs ready to do that. In Poland the drug laws targeted specific listed substances for a while which created a market for completely untested substances which were technically-not-drugs and the stock changed immediately after the drug list was updated.

Re:Voters rejecting the war on drugs is a win for public health by pessimizer on Saturday November 07, 2020 @02:44PM (#25018304)
> do you really think that heroin production should ever be legalised?

Yes. The actual cost of producing heroin is about a nickel a dose. Junkies who get their heroin are productive members of society, and aside from the criminal element they're forced to associate with, the crime they commit to get the cash to not get sick, the inconsistency of product, and the aggression of the state, we have no reason to think they wouldn't live long happy lives other than ideological ones.

Every junkie death is by statute.

Re:Voters rejecting the war on drugs is a win for public health by viraptor on Saturday November 07, 2020 @03:31PM (#25018955)
Why concentrate on ongoing use rather than providing addiction treatment?
Re:Voters rejecting the war on drugs is a win for public health by jowsie on Saturday November 07, 2020 @04:01PM (#25019307)
You're a lot less likely to relapse and commit crime when you're already on a stable dose of your drug of choice. Considering how many people in america are on legitimate opiod prescriptions I find it insane how people instantly jump to 'well you wouldn't legalise heroin would you?!', there's no meaningful difference between opiods whether they're prescribed or not.
Re:Voters rejecting the war on drugs is a win for public health by jessaustin on Saturday November 07, 2020 @04:06PM (#25019359)
Why concentrate on anything? Heroin addicts who desire treatment will be welcome to it, but others will choose otherwise.
Re:Voters rejecting the war on drugs is a win for public health by Jochim on Sunday November 08, 2020 @10:04AM (#25026179)
One argument would be that taxes from the sale could be used to fund better addiction treatment than is currently available. State sanctioned supply would then be taking money out of the hands of organised crime and using it to help the people who need it.
Re:Voters rejecting the war on drugs is a win for public health by ogre_codes on Saturday November 07, 2020 @01:35PM (#25017239)
> you make the black market thrive and basically sponsor organized crime

You aren't "Making" a market, it exists already. The difference is we are no longer severely punishing the people who are getting victimized.

> Full legalization is the only moral and practical approach.

Full legalization for most drugs, I agree (weed, LSD, shrooms, plus a few others). But I'm not sure I'd agree that all drugs should be legalized. A measured approach as we have done with MJ is a good idea.

Re:Voters rejecting the war on drugs is a win for public health by pessimizer on Saturday November 07, 2020 @02:41PM (#25018241)
> The difference is we are no longer severely punishing the people who are getting victimized.

No, the difference is that we are no longer victimizing the people who are doing drugs.