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Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by doggosphere on Thursday November 05, 2020 @03:53PM (#25001837)
What grounds does a judge have to send the person to jail if they complied with the order to decrypt a wallet?

There can be any number of reasons the coin was moved:

- hacked by some 3rd party

- corruption by officers (https://news.bitcoin.com/rogue-silk-road-agent-admits-to-ste...)

- partner in crime moved them, with or without consent from suspect.

Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by thinkloop on Thursday November 05, 2020 @07:21PM (#25003597)
That seems fishy tho, you'll probably have to prove that, one of the core pruposes of judges is choosing who to believe, there is no such thing as a 100% fact.
Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by doggosphere on Thursday November 05, 2020 @07:27PM (#25003627)
The burden of proof falls on the prosecution to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

Ex: Being in the vicinity of a crime when it takes place may make you a suspect (aka "fishy"), but this alone is not enough to prove guilt.

Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by listenallyall on Thursday November 05, 2020 @11:20PM (#25004857)
Buddy there are plenty of people in jail right now based on extremely flimsy evidence such as simply being in the vicinity of a crime.

All your comments in the thread are about "proving it," when, at the end of the day, it's up to 12 people in a box, most of whom don't know the first thing about bitcoin. Refusal to decrypt, wife moving Russia, etc... The government is going to make an extremely convincing case, with plenty of witnesses and all the time and money and lawyers they need. Meanwhile you'll be communicating with your defense lawyers from behind bars. You might be right -- maybe they can't prove any ill-intent -- but that's not a gamble with the odds in your favor.

Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by doggosphere on Friday November 06, 2020 @12:23AM (#25005151)
It very well may be up to a jury (or a judge alone). And they'll hear questions like:

- Can the prosecution show where and how Mr. X moved the funds while he was in jail?

- Can they show who he communicated with or ordered to abscond these funds?

- Can they identify who controls the funds now?

- Can they identify anyone else who may have had control of these funds while in their previous wallet?

The answer is basically no to any of those questions. This is simply because of the nature of crypto and mathematics; a set of seed words allows anyone to restore access on any machine, from anywhere on the planet.

Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by listenallyall on Friday November 06, 2020 @01:21AM (#25005425)
Juries hear circumstantial cases all the time where they have no witness, or no actual murder weapon, or no fingerprints, no DNA -- and more often than not, convict anyway. Just acting shady is usually enough, and the moment you refused to decrypt the wallet, you made yourself look guilty to the majority of jurors.