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Re:Down to the Suburbs by mistermann on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @04:16PM (#24993143)
> To your example, there are many places where public day care would be extremely controversial because people just don't believe in taxes nor the government taking care of kids. They are already often skeptical of public schools. Frankly, the main difference between Colorado in 2012 and 2018 is probably more to do with demographic shifts than how "radial" the policy is.

> In a nutshell I'm saying, all of it, everything comes down to these basic beliefs. There can be no conversation about what the government do if one side believes the government should be trusted with nothing. There can be no conversation about what we should do with tax dollars if one side believes there should be no taxes. There can be no conversation about how to reform drug policy if one side only believes in strict punishment.

I wonder how true memes like this really are. Indeed, various statistics and observations of what people literally say can easily lead one to form this sort of conclusion, without being terribly unreasonable. However....if one had the means of sitting down with literally each individual in these groups for a very long, non-combative heart to heart discussion, would one find that the heuristic estimates of them are completely bang on, or might there be some noteworthy differential between how we perceive people to be, and how they really are (or could be after some high quality discussion)?

Re:Down to the Suburbs by DubiousPusher on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @04:54PM (#24993422)
Good point. A lot of this is my personal impression from lots of political conversations. But there are a few known interesting facts.

1 People know their party's policy positions more than any other time in modern history

2 Legislators vote more along their party lines than at any point in history

3 People split ticket and switch votes less than any time

One partially confounding fact to my thesis here is that

4 People "identify" less with a party than at any time in history

Re:Down to the Suburbs by mistermann on Thursday November 05, 2020 @07:42AM (#24997723)
I sometimes wonder if there is an unseen fundamental problem (or many problems) hiding somewhere that we don't realize exists, and as a result we end up attributing the cause of our problems to what may often be red herrings.

After all, many far more reasonable approaches (incremental improvements, at least) to many things are usually fairly obvious, and I suspect most people wouldn't really be opposed to it (if one was to sit down and have a serious conversation about it that truly addresses their nuanced concerns)...and yet, decade after decade we seem to make little forward progress (or at least, "not enough" - see: BLM), while a collective feeling of confident, "righteous" frustration and rage with those "on" "the other side" (on both sides) builds.

The whole thing seems rather paradoxical, which to me is suggestive that we may indeed be missing something important in our system analysis.