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Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by nimbius on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @02:00PM (#24991921)
its less of a trial these days and more about biblical retribution. In regard to Megaupload, Dotcom says he believes the company had actively tried to prevent copyright infringement – its terms of service forced users to agree they would not post copyrighted material to the website. Companies or individuals with concerns that their copyright material was being posted on Megaupload were given direct access to the website to delete infringing links. If it went to trial, im doubtful the RIAA has a slam-dunk case at all considering the bulk of their evidence was illegally collected. Justice Winkelmann ruled that the handing of hard drives seized by New Zealand police in the raid to the FBI was in breach of extradition legislation, and the FBI's removal from New Zealand of cloned data from them was unlawful.

in the past decade the RIAA/MPAA have increasingly gone after the idea of piracy instead of actual piracy. Tor and end-to-end encryption recently made their public shit list but theyve been wardrumming against any and all pushback against the DMCA for a long time.

Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by CommieBobDole on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @02:31PM (#24992252)
The issue, as I remember it, was that Megaupload consolidated files with the same hash that were uploaded by multiple people, so that they only kept one copy with multiple links pointing to it.

When they received a copyright notice, they would immediately remove only the link that was referenced in the notice, but would leave the file with all the other links still pointing to it. Which was the difference between "running a file-hosting service" and "knowingly hosting copyrighted material".

Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by Nextgrid on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @02:56PM (#24992476)
Can’t you argue that they have no way to know whether the other links are also infringing or whether those other users have a legitimate license for the content?

Let’s say I buy and losslessly rip a DVD and upload it to Megaupload as a backup or to have access to it on the go. I don’t share the link with anyone and thus don’t infringe on the copyright by redistributing the content publicly.

Now someone else buys the same DVD, rips it the same way and ends up with the exact same file (so their link actually points to my file because of deduplication), however they then decide to infringe on the copyright by distributing the link publicly.

Their link should indeed be disabled, but the original file should stay (with its other links) as there is no way to tell whether those other links are used legitimately.

Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by slg on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @03:22PM (#24992689)
>Can’t you argue that they have no way to know whether the other links are also infringing or whether those other users have a legitimate license for the content?

IANAL so maybe the plausible deniability here is enough legal protection, but this is an argument that rings hollow to me from a technical perspective. Usually content ripped from physical media is not stored in its original format, especially during the timeline of MegaUpload's existence. The data is going to be encoded in a different format and therefore could have a variety of different potential hashes. A bunch of people having exactly the same version of this media indicates that it is a single encoding being repeatedly shared.

Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by AnthonyMouse on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @03:49PM (#24992902)
Media encoders are generally deterministic. If you use two different encoders or two different configurations you'll get two different outputs, but two people using a given popular encoder with its default settings on the same input are generally going to get identical output.
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by leetcrew on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @04:42PM (#24993335)
two things.

> Let’s say I buy and losslessly rip a DVD and upload it to Megaupload as a backup or to have access to it on the go. I don’t share the link with anyone and thus don’t infringe on the copyright by redistributing the content publicly.

this right here is (sadly) already a DMCA violation for the person who rips the DVD. I'm not sure whether or not that makes it a different situation for megaupload vs. a person uploading a rip of a DVD they didn't own in the first place.

second, the lawyers can probably argue that megaupload knew (or should have known) how widely each upload was being distributed. it's hard to argue you don't know that infringement is going on if you see hundreds/thousands of downloads through a link to a file whose hash matches a known illicit copy. maybe they were at least smart enough not to keep these kinds of logs, I dunno.

Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by eMSF on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @05:00PM (#24993475)
>this right here is (sadly) already a DMCA violation for the person who rips the DVD

Yes, because we all live in America... right? Megaupload wasn't even a US company, why should it “enforce” some foreign legislation on non-concerned parties?

Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by matheusmoreira on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @06:19PM (#24994095)
> Yes, because we all live in America... right?

Pretty much. The US makes other countries adopt laws that are similar to their own via trade agreements. The whole purpose of doing that is to make it easier for american businesses to sell stuff in other countries. The whole world is economically forced to converge into the same set of general laws that just happen to be very friendly to the interests of american corporations. Intellectual property laws are included in the package.

There are countries in the world where governments struggle to provide basic infrastructure to their populations. Why would anyone in such a miserable situation even care about protecting american copyright industry interests by prosecuting copyright infringement?

An MPAA official once visited my country to lobby politicians and push their agenda. Journalists asked him point blank: do you think copyright is a priority in a country where people do not have basic sanitation? I wish I had saved the article where I read that...

> Megaupload wasn't even a US company, why should it “enforce” some foreign legislation on non-concerned parties?

Good question... The US can probably just do whatever it wants though. If they hate you enough, they'll just kidnap you and fly you to wherever it is they need you to be. They call it extraordinary rendition.

Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by marcus_holmes on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @06:26PM (#24994130)
This is the key to this whole farce.

Nothing he or his company did was illegal in NZ.

Put it like this: if a Pakistani courts tried to extradite Zuckerburg for blasphemy because some of Facebook's users said bad things about islam, then they'd be rightfully laughed at.

But a US court trying to extradite a NZ CEO for something the company's users did... different story. Because America.

Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by howlgarnish on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @07:12PM (#24994442)
Extradition works on the principle of dual criminality: the act has to be a crime in both countries. This is why the US won't extradite Zuckerberg to Pakistan for blasphemy, and it's also why the Dotcom case has been tied up in courts for years, because it's not clear at all if what he did was illegal under NZ law or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_criminality

Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by leetcrew on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @05:44PM (#24993825)
I dunno, that seems like a good question for the FBI...
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by marcosdumay on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @02:51PM (#24992427)
> Which was the difference between "running a file-hosting service" and "knowingly hosting copyrighted material".

Every digital file is copyrighted (in practice). Some people are allowed to distribute some files, others aren't. You are claiming it's up to him to know who were allowed and who were not, but I don't thing that's clear in any way.

Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by markvdb on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @02:52PM (#24992437)
Two words unfortunately: parallel construction. [0]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction

Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by Sargos on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @09:45PM (#24995230)
This seems so evil yet it's an accepted part of law?
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by Fnoord on Thursday November 05, 2020 @08:26AM (#24998008)
It might be applied for good and evil. Sometimes, a government does not want to give details because they want to reuse the method. Consider, for example, the FBI found a vulnerability in Tor, and does not want to disclose it yet does want to prosecute the perpetrator behind Silk Road.
Re:Kim Dotcom can be extradited to US but can also appeal by matheusmoreira on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @06:08PM (#24994012)
> Tor and end-to-end encryption recently made their public shit list

I think I missed this news. Can you please elaborate?