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Re:Ask HN: Anyone seriously working on starting a new country? by perilunar on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @07:03AM (#24988272)
Yes: SpaceX. The Starlink ToS includes "the parties recognise Mars as a free planet and that no Earth-based government has authority or sovereignty over Martian activities”
Re:Ask HN: Anyone seriously working on starting a new country? by Piskvorrr on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @08:08AM (#24988646)
Despite reiterating what the Outer Space Treaty says, this is just as useful as laying claim to it. "Whoever is sitting on it can claim it" is the more probable result, should it come to that.
Re:Ask HN: Anyone seriously working on starting a new country? by saargrin on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @08:25AM (#24988767)
whoever can haul cheap cargo there reliably ,including military hardware ,then

praise Elon and set blasters to stun!

Re:Ask HN: Anyone seriously working on starting a new country? by JabavuAdams on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @08:34AM (#24988847)
Space launch and space vehicles are very vulnerable. This means that any space launch company can be strong-armed by any nation state or even reasonably armed non-state actor unless they're defended by a nation-state.
Re:Ask HN: Anyone seriously working on starting a new country? by traverseda on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @08:48AM (#24988987)
Only until they start being able to drop rocks on things...

Giving a private company potential WMD's is a whole other question though.

Re:Ask HN: Anyone seriously working on starting a new country? by JabavuAdams on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @09:00AM (#24989087)
Sure. If you can drop kinetic projectiles from orbit or higher, you don't need nukes.

But you have to build a lot of infrastructure to either get that mass up there, or compel that mass to change momentum.

One drone with a shaped charge could take out a fueled launch vehicle and make the bad unusable for an annoyingly long time. I hope that there are plans to defend against this.

Re:Ask HN: Anyone seriously working on starting a new country? by __s on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @09:49AM (#24989504)
Dropping rocks on Earth to declare independence is the plot of The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
Re:Ask HN: Anyone seriously working on starting a new country? by angrais on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @08:07AM (#24988635)
I highly doubt a commercial company can argue for authority and sovereignty of a whole planet.

Let's be real, if there was easier ways to get to mars and if it had resources useful to earth, then we'd already be mining there or such.

Re:Ask HN: Anyone seriously working on starting a new country? by dnhbt on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @11:21AM (#24990379)
>I highly doubt a commercial company can argue for authority and sovereignty of a whole planet.

It doesn't seem like SpaceX is claiming Mars, just establishing that Mars isn't governed by an Earth country, which was already established by the Outer Space Treaty.

Re:Ask HN: Anyone seriously working on starting a new country? by __s on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @09:51AM (#24989525)
Original explorers from Europe were commercial companies

It won't be the company that gains sovereignty, so much as the people who colonize