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Re:LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug by parenthesis on Friday April 29, 2011 @12:07PM (#2497844)
>>> What it feels like is that you are tapping into something truer and deeper

It might feel like you are tapping into something truer and deeper, but that doesn't mean that you are.

Re:LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug by danenania on Friday April 29, 2011 @02:50PM (#2498528)
Ultimately, all our experiences are subjective and we can't be sure that any of them are authentic. Perception is reality. LSD really makes this fact stand out.
Re:LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug by billybob on Friday April 29, 2011 @09:01PM (#2499569)
Perception isn't reality. Incorrectly perceiving an oncoming car will prove this.

There are perceptions and there are facts. This is true whether the facts are easily knowable or not, and extends as much to the existence of God and other such questions as it does to the sum of two numbers.

Re:LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug by danenania on Saturday April 30, 2011 @03:32AM (#2500105)
"There are perceptions and there are facts."

Do you dispute that facts are also perceptions?

Re:LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug by lhnz on Sunday May 01, 2011 @04:29AM (#2502691)
Facts are a subset of perceptions. Not all perceptions are facts.
Re:LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug by danenania on Friday May 06, 2011 @02:39AM (#2520201)
Not all facts are facts.
Re:LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug by lhnz on Sunday May 08, 2011 @05:09AM (#2525542)
Case in point.
Re:LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug by eof on Friday April 29, 2011 @12:58PM (#2498056)
I say that explicitly:

"Whether it is actually giving insight or not (it could definitely be some idiosyncratic interaction that lsd is having with your brain to make you see things in a certain way); it's at the very least fun, and can have a drastic effect on the way you oritent yourself toward reality."

There is something seemingly objective about it though in that others seem to have very similar experiences.

Re:LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug by commanda on Friday April 29, 2011 @02:47PM (#2498517)
From a great number of people's reports about their experiences while using psychedelics, they all seem to follow a common theme (things about opening their mind to God, communing with the great underlying themes of life, opening previously locked doors in their minds). If a plurality of people report having the same experience, then to me, that validates it.

Then there's the solipsist point of view, which is to say, it doesn't matter that someone else thinks you are deluding yourself, because all that is knowable is in your own mind, so you aren't capable of validating anything anyway.

Either way, the experience is validated, to one's self or to the world.

Re:LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug by khafra on Friday April 29, 2011 @03:07PM (#2498586)
The experience which is validated by many independent tests is the feeling of tapping into something truer and deeper. I don't think the GP is questioning the feeling, just the actual truer, deeperness of it.
Re:LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug by bitwize on Friday April 29, 2011 @05:34PM (#2499081)
The question that scientists and other empiricists ask when considering ideas is not "is it true?" but "is it useful?"

Do people bring back useful (in the engineering sense) knowledge from their times tripping/rolling? Are they more likely to experience e.g., fruitful insights akin to Kekulé's vision of the benzene ring as an ouroboros, as a result of having consumed these drugs? If so, then the drugs may indeed live up to the claims that they grant access to "truer and deeper" levels of reality. Otherwise, their users are simply fooling themselves. (Although fooling yourself can prove useful; the almost universal belief in deities among humans fulfills some sort of purpose, though it is my belief that that purpose is no longer relevant.)

Re:LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug by mattgreenrocks on Friday April 29, 2011 @08:40PM (#2499544)
You're using the word 'useful' as a euphemism for 'practical,' and missing the point. You cannot expect to fully grasp a wholly subjective experience through a predominantly rational mindset. Better to simply discard the intellectual point of view for this topic and attempt to engage it otherwise.
Re:LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug by rgbrgb on Friday April 29, 2011 @12:50PM (#2498016)
Care to expand on that? Do you know something outside your mind? No, your mind is the knowledge, your mind is your truth and your reality. Your own perception is all that exists and you have no evidence outside of intuition (which is in the mind) for the existence of some extra-mental world.
Re:LSD: The Geek's Wonder Drug by phernandez on Friday April 29, 2011 @02:19PM (#2498391)
If he feels like he's tapping in to something deeper, then isn't that enough? It's his experience after all. It doesn't require objective validation, does it?