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Re:How the Coronavirus Hacks the Immune System by panabee on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @02:23AM (#24977259)
extremely naive, dumb questeion: could cancer cells stem from some errant mutation of B cells? this might help explain why cancer cells grow uncontrollably and also escape detection by the immune system.
Re:How the Coronavirus Hacks the Immune System by deergomoo on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @03:01AM (#24977454)
Re:How the Coronavirus Hacks the Immune System by panabee on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @06:17PM (#24985141)
thanks for sharing this link. is it possible that other cancer cells are further downstream mutations of B cells?
Re:How the Coronavirus Hacks the Immune System by flobosg on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @03:06AM (#24977484)
> could cancer cells stem from some errant mutation of B cells?

That is exactly how lymphomas originate.

Re:How the Coronavirus Hacks the Immune System by AstralStorm on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @05:39AM (#24978316)
Also the replication machinery being easy to trigger is why it's the second most common cancer after skin cancers. (Which shares some of those features in addition to being even more exposed to insults and less controlled.)
Re:How the Coronavirus Hacks the Immune System by Engineering-MD on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @07:20AM (#24978951)
Where do you get that figure from? All the figures I have state lung and bowel cancers are the most common, along with prostrate and breast for sex specific cancers (although looking at their rates they would be the higher even though their rates in the other sex are exceedingly low).
Re:How the Coronavirus Hacks the Immune System by AstralStorm on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @09:10AM (#24979762)
That's because melanoma and non-melanoma skin cancer are split, as other lymphoma and non-Hodgkin lymphoma, multiple myeloma etc. in data despite affecting same cell lines.

If you sum these two up they end on top respectively in that order. Albeit prostate cancer is really close.

It's an artifact of grouping used. For colorectal for example, adenomas and carcinomas are lumped for a change.

Prostate is the second most common worldwide, or skin cancer, depending on year. The big 5 are over 1.5 million. (WCRF data. They lump all lung cancers but split immune system and skin cancers. For reasons? Bladder and lung cancer incidence is highly dependent on factors such as smoking and specific chemicals used in manufacturing. Potentially the same with colorectal and diet. Rates for breast and prostate are high because they're easy to spot and well tested. So per country data varies a lot.)

Re:How the Coronavirus Hacks the Immune System by flobosg on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @09:25AM (#24979889)
Non-melanoma skin cancer is usually excluded from registries due to differences across the world in data recording practices: https://www.ncri.ie/faqs/interpret-use-our-data/why-are-data...
Re:How the Coronavirus Hacks the Immune System by panabee on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @06:17PM (#24985137)
is it possible that other cancer cells are further downstream mutations of B cells? thanks for sharing. sorry if these are dumb questions.
Re:How the Coronavirus Hacks the Immune System by flobosg on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @11:22AM (#24990390)
It is unlikely, given that B cells are already differentiated. This means that they are unable to change into another cell type.
Re:How the Coronavirus Hacks the Immune System by panabee on Wednesday November 04, 2020 @07:32PM (#24994559)
thanks for the clarification.

phrased another way: could the same process that spawns these legions of B cells also inadvertently spawn cancer cells?

related: healthy cells exhibit properties that allow them to go ignored by the immune system, similar to a VIP pass for bypassing security at a basketball game. is this right? if yes, what are the minimal properties that constitute this cellular VIP pass?

thanks for your help.

Re:How the Coronavirus Hacks the Immune System by neuronic on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @03:20AM (#24977572)
B cells carry the same DNA as all other cells. The difference between cell types is in what sections are functionally expressed (made into proteins that do their work). This is determined by a multitude of factors.

Cancer cells typically have mutations, even just single base pair changes, which change the way that genes are expressed in the cell and thereby influence such behavior.

The original functions of the B cell aren't necessarily needed for other cell types to exhibit similar functions. The base plan is there, it just needs a nudge.

Re:How the Coronavirus Hacks the Immune System by DrAwdeOccarim on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @05:16AM (#24978196)
Yes! Exactly.