If everything is just run as a canvas then you also loose everything that is good about a platform like accessibility, index-ability (at least on the web), integration with platform tools like copy, selecting text and so, so much more.

I can see canvas rendering as a good target for games and for individual components such as a drawing surface or a chart but using it for a whole app is just throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Flutter on the web is more complicated than just a canvas element. The project has a fair amount of effort put into a11y on mobile; I’d be really surprised if the web output isn’t also accessible.

Picking the first demo on https://gallery.flutter.dev : https://gallery.flutter.dev/#/reply

It seems like it renders text via a SVG on top of a canvas layer that is the background, so that's a plus for a11y. As for the downsides, and I'm not sure how much this is due to flutter or the app itself:

* I can't use the browser search for elements outside the viewport

* I can't select text at all

* I can't tab through elements/links at all (which is often seen as a strong indicator of bad a11y)

* Browser back/forward do not work as expected (back exits the app completely, and then forward does not bring me back)

The second demo there: https://gallery.flutter.dev/#/shrine

* All the same as the first one, but also clickable elements do not give me any feedback that they are clickable (hand-pointer cursour or any underline/similar effect)

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Maybe these are just demos that have not thought of these specific things but since it is a web showcase of a framework meant to work on the web (although not exclusively) and these were the first links up there it's a bit disappointing.

My point is that you get most of these things for free (or easy) on the normal web, but flutter seems to try to patch them back onto it instead of using what is there.

Sorry, I should have qualified that with “when web export is done.” It’s still in beta right now, and a11y bugs are still being resolved.

https://github.com/flutter/flutter/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Ai...

Not to mention some of the best touch gesture support on Linux I have seen so far, one of the benefits of it being a mobile platform ig

But thats just Flutter, and it can already run on Linux. What is the benefit of Fuchia?

Possibility to (re-)introduce binary_only, closed_source hw driver modules for the fuchsia kernel? And still get to use all the goodie from GPL userland.

When I looked up Fucia and saw that it was Apache licenced, I assumed it was probably because Google are tired of providing back to the community that gave it 99% of the code that it uses. Much easier to do an Apple and take other people's work and not share back when it's not GPL'ed.

Can you give an example of a flutter app people use by choice outside of android? I think my google wifi app uses it and that's about it, and the google wifi app is not exactly the picture of quality software.

The framework seems designed to hold the hand of android developers, not to provide a decent experience to the end user. I have no clue why people keep referencing it as some kind of working cross-platform solution when it clearly caters exclusively to android.

Flutter's team is making efforts to improve it on other platforms, iirc it powers Stadia, and the new Google iOT hardware like the Home Hub (or whever they are calling that now) and the new Google TV.