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Re:Tunnels in the US cost more than anywhere else by chrisseaton on Monday November 02, 2020 @02:47PM (#24972302)
Are there really many qualified tunneling engineers coming in from Eastern Europe? If there are then good for them, but I still don't get why qualified people would accept so little. Surely private engineering works pays much more than that.
Re:Tunnels in the US cost more than anywhere else by paganel on Monday November 02, 2020 @03:33PM (#24972903)
> Are there really many qualified tunneling engineers coming in from Eastern Europe?

Yes, why wouldn't be there? Speaking strictly for Romania (from where I'm from) the Bucharest underground in the 1980s and almost all of the big hydro-dams projects (which also require extensive tunneling work) were carried with Romanian engineers only (we received the help of the Soviets in the early 1960s for the hydro works, though). And to be honest that question in itself is a little "orientalist", but I'll just pass over that part of the post.

> If there are then good for them, but I still don't get why qualified people would accept so little

Because wages are still pretty low in countries like Romania (and I guess in Poland and Bulgaria too, to give just a few examples), $30 per hour is more than enough. Plus the engineers themselves alone are no good, the project is based on the people who actually have to dig the stuff out, for them $30 per hour is double more than enough.

Re:Tunnels in the US cost more than anywhere else by chrisseaton on Monday November 02, 2020 @03:37PM (#24972958)
> Yes, why wouldn't be there? Speaking strictly for Romania (from where I'm from)

Great specific question! Because Romania isn't a signatory to the Washington Accord, which is the mechanism by which these engineering degrees get recognised for chartership by other countries.

https://www.ieagreements.org/accords/washington/signatories/

It's a simple fact that chartered engineering societies don't accept many overseas degrees! It's very hard to get chartered from overseas unless you've been to a few very notable universities. Even being listed on the European Engineering Education Database isn't accepted.

https://www.engc.org.uk/glossary-faqs/frequently-asked-quest...

Re:Tunnels in the US cost more than anywhere else by arethuza on Monday November 02, 2020 @05:41PM (#24974327)
But not everyone on a construction project needs to be a chartered engineer?
Re:Tunnels in the US cost more than anywhere else by chrisseaton on Monday November 02, 2020 @06:22PM (#24974656)
The person I'm replying to specifically said 'engineers'.
Re:Tunnels in the US cost more than anywhere else by cr1895 on Monday November 02, 2020 @06:41PM (#24974773)
Did they? The top level post is referring to "construction labor" and "qualified tunnel workers."

I think only you've brought up chartered engineers, which, obviously, not everyone involved in construction labor will be.

Re:Tunnels in the US cost more than anywhere else by bleepblorp on Monday November 02, 2020 @03:28PM (#24972829)
Good grief.

Parts of Eastern Europe have had an industrial base since the 1800s. Indeed, the Czechs have been making cars since 1905. Of course Eastern Europe trains qualified construction workers.

Re:Tunnels in the US cost more than anywhere else by chrisseaton on Monday November 02, 2020 @03:32PM (#24972884)
But none of these countries are signatories to the Washington Accord?

How are they getting accredited to work in the US or UK?

Re:Tunnels in the US cost more than anywhere else by Gwypaas on Monday November 02, 2020 @05:47PM (#24974379)
Haven't even heard of the Washington accord, seems very US centric. All of EU except Ireland is missing.
Re:Tunnels in the US cost more than anywhere else by freemint on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @07:49AM (#24979138)
On point.
Re:Tunnels in the US cost more than anywhere else by freemint on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @07:48AM (#24979135)
They don't need to be, because their exist mechanisms to recognize degrees from other countries inside the EU. Remember they are probably getting jobs in Germany or Spain and not "overseas".
Re:Tunnels in the US cost more than anywhere else by drpgq on Monday November 02, 2020 @03:44PM (#24973055)
The people making the wages in the article aren't engineers.
Re:Tunnels in the US cost more than anywhere else by skeletal88 on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @08:14AM (#24979307)
I don't believe that everyone who is working on a tunnel needs to be a "tunneling engineer". Like with construction, there's an engineer with a degree planning overseeing stuff, and then there are other guys actually doing the work.

Requiring everyone to have a degree, even to do simple stuff, would be absurd. If you do in the US, then that is the reason for high costs.