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Re:GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned by viraptor on Monday November 02, 2020 @07:15AM (#24967262)
It's not up to github to analyse the DMCA validity beyond "does it match the format and include required information". Youtube-dl owner can do it and request an instant revert if they're happy to take the responsibility.

No service provider is going to fight a specific case of DMCA for a third-party.

Re:GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned by elmo2you on Monday November 02, 2020 @07:56AM (#24967630)
As I have seen argued on several places thus far, including at the link below, this alleged DMCA complaint has been contrived at best and certainly falling outside of Safe Harbor doctrine. Meaning, the "immediate action" requirement on GitHub's behalf, doesn't appear to even exist here.

With most companies, Hanlon's razor would probably apply ("never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"). But in this case it is rather dubious (if not shocking) how GitHub's legal department appears to have completely failed to do their basic job.

As a company, GitHub at least has a legal duty to know the law, or be held accountable for the consequences of their actions when they monumentally fuck things up (while doing serious harm in the process).

Either way .. with Microsoft's track record in mind, GitHub's silence on legitimate questions regarding the validity of the RIAA's actions, and now this warning of inflicting harm to people if those dare to not play along with the companies dubious legal decisions .. all in all, I'd say that GitHub has long lost any benefit of a doubt by now.

With every day passing, this appears to be shifting more towards plausible (if not likely) malice. On top of that, this isn't a light matter either. Most likely a serious anti-trust violation and might even constitute a criminal enterprise. Not that I expect US authorities to do anything about it, considering its own dubious and dismal track record, for at least several decades.

0: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/808cf690f8e801381778002590d8e...

Re:GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned by contravariant on Monday November 02, 2020 @07:57AM (#24967642)
Technically the DMCA does not match the format and/or include all required information. From what I've understood a DMCA MUST include a list of the works being violated. The RIAA also failed to conform to GitHub's standard format, although using a standard form if available is perhaps something you SHOULD rather than MUST do..
Re:GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned by gamblor956 on Monday November 02, 2020 @01:39PM (#24971458)
From a substantive perspective, you're thinking of a different area of the DMCA, for noticed related to copyrighted works. The RIAA notice at issue here was based on 1201, for tools used to circumvent copyright, and so it's not necessary to disclose the works being violated.

From a formatting perspective, format is generally irrelevant to notices like this because the law does not state a particular format must be used. Thus, any format which conveys the necessary information is generally acceptable.

Re:GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned by contravariant on Monday November 02, 2020 @04:17PM (#24973479)
Just because it's part of the DMCA doesn't mean it is allowed to be used in a take-down notice. Or at the very least such a notice wouldn't have to be construed as such. At least that's what I understood from this article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24888234

And while formatting is somewhat irrelevant from a legal standpoint it is still one of the tools Github uses to ensure that their take-down requests contain all the required information. Acting upon a request that doesn't conform to the format is risky.

Re:GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned by jchw on Monday November 02, 2020 @07:36AM (#24967447)
As someone who once filed a DMCA request against something, I can tell you that they requested additional verification that I was the copyright holder. Whether that was wise of them or not, it was not to a small company at all.
Re:GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned by gruez on Monday November 02, 2020 @07:30AM (#24967402)
>No service provider is going to fight a specific case of DMCA for a third-party.

How far do you think I'll get if I tried to file a bogus DMCA request for a Microsoft repo?

Re:GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned by sbarre on Monday November 02, 2020 @07:40AM (#24967487)
Not far because _Microsoft_ - the owner of the repo - will fight you on it.

It happens that they own Github, but s/Microsoft/Oracle/ and you'll probably get the same result.

The automated systems will take down the repo for a bit, then the owner of the repo will kick your ass in court.

It just happens that youtube-dl doesn't have a large corporate owner, and the RIAA _is_ a large corporate entity, and so this is how it happens.

Your anger is misdirected here....

Re:GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned by gruez on Monday November 02, 2020 @08:02AM (#24967688)
>The automated systems will take down the repo for a bit

That seems unlikely, considering that would be a massive DDoS vector.

Re:GitHub Warns Users Reposting YouTube-DL They Could Be Banned by sbarre on Monday November 02, 2020 @09:15AM (#24968292)
Fair enough, I was making an assumption there.. but you are probably correct.