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Re:Drivers react to Tesla’s full self-driving beta release by Someone on Saturday October 31, 2020 @01:39PM (#24953484)
“The only way to push past those local optima is by acquiring large amount of real world automated driving data, using systems in production”

That, I don’t see ever being true. What would you get from that that you couldn’t get from “large amount of real world human driving data, using systems in production”?

Re:Drivers react to Tesla’s full self-driving beta release by ethbr0 on Saturday October 31, 2020 @02:59PM (#24954225)
If I understand your point (why not backseat systems?) then I'd say it fails to capture the complexity of feedback from the automated systems.

Or to put it another way, every time the driver's inputs diverge from the automated system's inputs, the test run is invalidated. You're no longer getting results of what the automated system did.

Re:Drivers react to Tesla’s full self-driving beta release by optimiz3 on Saturday October 31, 2020 @02:01PM (#24953706)
Try any system ever that has had a v2. Engineering is not omnipotent.