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Re:Drivers react to Tesla’s full self-driving beta release by tpmx on Saturday October 31, 2020 @09:33AM (#24951330)
No, this is exactly why vehicle regulations were put into place.

Regulate and validate the vehicles and their software updates, not the engineers.

Edit: Or get used to our field moving as slowly as the bridge building field.

Re:Drivers react to Tesla’s full self-driving beta release by hervature on Saturday October 31, 2020 @09:56AM (#24951504)
Huh? Bridges stopped failing when engineers were held responsible. That’s a pretty fast change.

Holding people responsible doesn’t decrease or slow down innovation. It alters the incentives to align the innovation with public benefit. If properly caring for society is too slow for you, your part of the problem.

Re:Drivers react to Tesla’s full self-driving beta release by tpmx on Saturday October 31, 2020 @09:59AM (#24951534)
> Bridges stopped failing when engineers were held responsible.

Oh did they?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bridge_failures#2000%E...

Edit:

> Holding people responsible doesn’t decrease or slow down innovation.

Citation required. This is strongly non-intuitive.

Re:Drivers react to Tesla’s full self-driving beta release by josefx on Saturday October 31, 2020 @02:36PM (#24954040)
> Oh did they?

First one only sagged, no catastrophic failure, no deaths, no injuries.

A few more on that list were over a hundred years old. Not sure when he started holding engineers responsible.

Then you have the bridges rammed by ships, terrorism, construction accidents, a wooden suspension bridge in the middle of nowhere that had an upper limit of three and was used by seventy, etc. .

Seems as if the bridges themselves have held up fairly well.

Re:Drivers react to Tesla’s full self-driving beta release by tpmx on Saturday October 31, 2020 @02:51PM (#24954167)
Perhaps a less conservative bridge development culture would have resulted in more innovative bridges that could have avoided those incidents?
Re:Drivers react to Tesla’s full self-driving beta release by klyrs on Saturday October 31, 2020 @06:56PM (#24955880)
History shows that less conservative bridge culture will reduce costs at the detriment of safety.