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Re:Joe Rogan Experience #1556 – Glenn Greenwald by schwartzworld on Saturday October 31, 2020 @05:34AM (#24950061)
I'm not a Joe Rogan fan but I share this opinion. Fox News isn't fake news because it isn't news at all. it's literally just a propaganda network. NYT is supposed to be a higher standard.

As to centrism, I'm not sure Rogan has enough of a coherent ideology to even call him a centrist.

Re:Joe Rogan Experience #1556 – Glenn Greenwald by Broken_Hippo on Saturday October 31, 2020 @05:51AM (#24950128)
Sure, when you know the "news" is all fake, it is easy to call it not news.

But people who watch Fox News - for the most part - are watching for actual news. They often believe it. They aren't questioning the 'facts'. It isn't even as fake as Tabloids saying "I had an alien baby!".

While Fox is as trustworthy as 'The Onion', 'The Onion' openly states it is satire: Fox News is still claiming news and facts.

Re:Joe Rogan Experience #1556 – Glenn Greenwald by chiefalchemist on Saturday October 31, 2020 @06:34AM (#24950310)
There used to be a line between op-ed (i.e. subjective-centric) and news (i.e., important, relevant and objective-centric); and journalism used to be firmly alighted with the news side of that paradigm.

Things have changed. Dramatically. And for the worse. Anything and everything is considered news. Relevance and important are not longer relevant; the reporting shamelessly anti-objective. Anyone can at this point call themselves a journalist, without any understanding of the actions and ethics such a title entails. Axe-grinding and whistle-drowning are all too common.

The bottom line: A healthy, proper and transparent Fourth Estate matters. I can't speak for the rest of the world but in the USA the Fourth Estate is in the ICU, and has been for some time now. This is not a diagnosis that is new since Jan 2017.

Re:Joe Rogan Experience #1556 – Glenn Greenwald by vixen99 on Saturday October 31, 2020 @07:09AM (#24950478)
(Fox) 'It isn't news at all'? You mean you watch it regularly and can therefore vouch for its zero news content? Why would you want to do that and if you don't, how can you make such an evidently uninformed comment? What's the difference between propaganda and literal propaganda?
Re:Joe Rogan Experience #1556 – Glenn Greenwald by Ataraxy on Saturday October 31, 2020 @06:40AM (#24950341)
The vast majority of people don't have a coherent ideology.

It legitimately comes down to however you frame a question to someone.

Re:Joe Rogan Experience #1556 – Glenn Greenwald by apta on Saturday October 31, 2020 @10:44PM (#24956852)
The same applies to CNN and other channels if we're going to be honest.