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Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by meowface on Thursday October 29, 2020 @02:47PM (#24934018)
Will you change your stance on this, in a general sense, if it's all later confirmed to be real? And isn't it true that someone wishing to affect an election, and in possession of real information, would take the exact same action? You can't judge truth solely based on motive. That motive and action is consistent with the carefully timed release of either fake or real information.

The same was probably true of the person who leaked Trump's tax returns before the election. Of course they were initially treated with caution, but the media worked to confirm their veracity. Here they won't even ask the question.

I don't think the emails contain anything very damaging to Biden, as far as I can tell. I think the cover-up, lack of care about truth, and blind zealotry is way worse than anything in the emails. I do happen to think the emails are > 50% likely real, but the absolute refusal to consider them impartially is the actual problem, not the emails. It just shows neither pro-Trump nor anti-Trump give a single shit about truth. They just care about winning. Ideology trumps epistemology.

Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by tzs on Thursday October 29, 2020 @03:07PM (#24934288)
> I don't think the emails contain anything very damaging to Biden, as far as I can tell.

This is the weirdest part about Republican attacks on Biden's ethics or integrity. All that I have seen have been accusing Biden or his family of things that Trump and his family do much more often than the Biden's are alleged to have done them.

In a rational world, that kind of attack would totally backfire.

But it's pretty clear people aren't rational. I've had people tell me that Trump must be trustworthy because he's a billionaire, and had the same people tell me that Gates, Soros, Buffett, and Bezos cannot be trusted because they are billionaires. Huh!?

Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by dragonwriter on Thursday October 29, 2020 @03:39PM (#24934704)
> All that I have seen have been accusing Biden or his family of things that Trump and his family do much more often than the Biden's are alleged to have done them.

Attack your enemy (especially falsely!) for the things you are guilty of so the people who are outside of the bubble that uncritically listens to propaganda (yours or your opponents) have been primed to dismiss that line of attack as just the kind of thing that propagandists invent about their enemies isn't a novel technique.

Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by jungletime on Friday October 30, 2020 @01:58AM (#24939582)
Trump went into politics a rich man. Biden become rich while being in Politics.

The difference in the accusations is something like this: "Biden monetized the vice presidency, for personal gain. He set up a money laundering operation, that funnelled money from foreign entities back to his family, through deals his crack head son was making."

His son was making 50k/month from a power energy company in Ukraine, that he had no prior experience in.

This is a lot different than hiring your own kids to work for you in your own administration, as Trump did.

Lots of people here are still holding on to "emails" being fake. Maybe you have heard the term, "A lie is 3 questions deep". The problem with the emails are fake theory, is that that emails have these snippets of personal information, that have been collaborated, along with very incriminating selfie photos of Hunter doing crack and prostitutes in hotel rooms. Both would be incredibly difficult to fake because they are so mundane, and intimate, as no one would have the imagination to fake them.

Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by tzs on Friday October 30, 2020 @11:12AM (#24943056)
> Trump went into politics a rich man. Biden become rich while being in Politics.

Biden wasn't very wealthy for most of his political career, which was as a Senator from 1973 to 2009, nor when he was VP. His net worth was under half a million when his VP term ended.

His current wealth of around $10-20 million or so came after he was no longer in office, mostly from a multi-book deal with Flatiron Books for both he and his wife ($8 million), speaking fees (basic fee $100k, but sometimes as low as $8k and as high as $190k), and $540k from his professorship with the University of Pennsylvania's Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement.

There's a chart of Biden and his wife's total earnings from 1998-2019 in this Forbes article [1].

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/michelatindera/2020/10/22/how-t...

Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by meowface on Thursday October 29, 2020 @03:11PM (#24934360)
I fully agree with you. That's why I think the cover-up is way, way worse than the actual original thing. It was a nothingburger, and now the media's unintentionally turned it into one of the biggest controversies of the year, by refusing to treat it in a reasonable and balanced way. It's the epitome of the Streisand effect.

This is why I keep posting about this. It's all just unwittingly helping Trump, all because they somehow think being journalists is the thing that'd actually help him or will cause accusations of helping him if he wins.

There's a middleground here. Of course the media having a front page headline about the emails every day would be irresponsible. But refusing to talk about it or look at it inquisitively, at all, ever, is just as irresponsible. As is Twitter censoring links to it.

Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by zzleeper on Thursday October 29, 2020 @03:50PM (#24934851)
> the media's unintentionally turned it into one if the biggest controversies of the year

Maybe in the Republican bubble. Outside of it, no one really cares and sees it as a weird and poorly executed complot

Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by meowface on Thursday October 29, 2020 @04:08PM (#24935104)
I think you're very wrong. I'm the opposite of a Republican, and I think this scandal (the media's and Twitter's behavior, not the emails) is big. Matt Taibbi, a very definitely not-Republican journalist, agrees: https://taibbi.substack.com/p/with-the-hunter-biden-expose-s...

I think the main reason it's not a big controversy elsewhere is due to exactly what you mention - both bubbles absolutely reject anything negative about their side and absolutely accept anything negative about the opposing side. So of course one bubble won't care, or even be aware of what's going on.

Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by rat87 on Thursday October 29, 2020 @04:23PM (#24935287)
Taibbi like Greenwald has gone gaga against the establishment/evidence of Trump's collusion with Russia.

I don't think many people care what he has to say

More relevant is https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/28/trump-conspiracy-th...

Basically a bunch of Republican operatives admitting that virtually no one is buying the BS and that's it's not a useful line of attack

Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by meowface on Thursday October 29, 2020 @04:27PM (#24935334)
There wasn't any evidence of Trump colluding with Russia, though, as explained in Mueller's report. Greenwald has in the past gone so far as to even doubt interference, but he seems to have changed his stance and on JRE the other day he did say they interfered. Also, as you can tell from my post history, I strongly dislike Trump and everything he stands for, to be absolutely clear. I just want to accuse him of the thousands of things he's actually guilty of and not the things he's not guilty of.

If you read Taibbi's article, he's not at all claiming that the emails are damaging to Biden. The headline is "With the Hunter Biden Expose, Suppression is a Bigger Scandal Than The Actual Story".

Like in my posts, he's talking about the media's and Twitter's behavior in censoring the story - not the emails themselves. Everything he says is perfectly consistent with what's said in the Politico article you linked.

Taibbi is one of the most reputable, high-integrity, rational, and truth-seeking journalists working today, in my opinion. Reality often sits between a gray area of poles.

Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by nailer on Thursday October 29, 2020 @04:28PM (#24935362)
Russiagate has been investigated with insufficient evidence to charge anyone in the Trump campaign. You can easily verify this for yourself. Please stop promoting conspiracy theories.
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by teclordphrack2 on Thursday October 29, 2020 @04:34PM (#24935424)
Do you think Obama was told that Hilary was going to claim russia was helping trump?
Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by ivalm on Thursday October 29, 2020 @02:57PM (#24934163)
I want to discourage anyone trying to “time dropping facts”, real or not. If you have real evidence then publish it when you get it. I disliked the NYT Trump taxes expose timing as well, although at least they put a bigger lead time to election.

The problem with these timed attacks is that they fundamentally encourage lying to affect elections.

Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by meowface on Thursday October 29, 2020 @03:03PM (#24934249)
I don't agree that they encourage lying. "October Surprises" have been a thing for a very long time. It's just politics; the whole point of politics is to try to get your person to win and the other person to lose.

I think the NYT with the tax returns and the NY Post with the emails both acted properly, personally. (Though I strongly distrust both of them in general. NY Post much more so, but NYT gets worse and worse by the month, in my eyes.)

It's also unclear if either of them hoarded anything; they both may have published their pieces as quickly as they could, given the circumstances and when they received the information. I might be missing some evidence of hoarding; apologies if so.

Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by kolanos on Thursday October 29, 2020 @04:01PM (#24935009)
The FBI, according to reports, received this laptop at the same time Trump was being impeached for asking Ukraine to investigate the matter. It appears the FBI sat on this evidence for 9 months.

> Meanwhile, additional documents obtained by Fox News include FBI paperwork that details the bureau’s interactions with John Paul Mac Isaac, the owner of “The Mac Shop” who reported the laptop’s contents to authorities, as first reported by the New York Post. > Isaac received a subpoena to testify before U.S. District Court in Delaware on Dec. 9, 2019, the documents show. One page shows what appears to be serial numbers for a laptop and hard drive taken into possession.

[0]: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-purported-hunter-biden-...

Re:My Resignation from the Intercept by rat87 on Thursday October 29, 2020 @04:19PM (#24935247)
Trump probably illegally cheated on his taxes what's wrong with Nytimes reporting that

Oh you meant the more recent taxes expose.