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Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by LinuxBender on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @01:21PM (#24921486)
Maybe, but they do for sure listen to your calls. I used their software in a wireless provider. "She" was fascinating. She could understand any language, dialect, voice inflection, and so much more. No training required whatsoever. She listens to all international calls and flags phrases and key words.
Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by lern_too_spel on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @01:24PM (#24921529)
They don't listen to your phone calls either. If they did, Snowden would have leaked it, and it would have been a bombshell revelation. If you have information otherwise, you should blow the whistle.
Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by LinuxBender on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @01:35PM (#24921688)
There is no whistle to blow. It is fairly well known that all international calls into or out of each country are monitored by bots using speech recognition by the related agency for each repsective country. This has been the case for a very long time. Before bots, there were listening stations with thousands of people monitoring calls. There would be nothing for Snowden to leak in that regard. The only place this has been taboo is when the NSA is doing it within the country. They too use bots, as there is no way you could hire enough people to listen to the calls. Only flagged calls are listened to by people.
Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by rmrfstar on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @04:44PM (#24923926)
Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by ChrisKnott on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @04:59PM (#24924082)
I am almost certain this has never been reported, I am also almost certain it is not the case. Can you provide a link?
Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by lern_too_spel on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @11:57PM (#24927039)
What you claim is "fairly well known" is directly disputed by Snowden's leaks, which say they cannot. They can only tap calls where both endpoints are outside the US and are people who they have reason to believe are not US citizens.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2009-jan-16-na-wiret...

Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by boomboomsubban on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @02:26PM (#24922337)
They do, Snowden and others have leaked it. https://www.cnet.com/news/nsa-spying-flap-extends-to-content...
Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by lern_too_spel on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @11:55PM (#24927018)
None of Snowden's documents say so. If they did, that would have been the biggest story in his leaks. Your own article says that they cannot.
Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by boomboomsubban on Thursday October 29, 2020 @04:00AM (#24928216)
He released the details of xkeyscore, which details the system involved with tapping into anyone's personal communication. It doesn't explicitly mention wiretapping, but it seems likely that connecting to a server containing those recordings would also show up in a search.

And we know that they have such servers from the events surrounding Room 641A. Snowden also released documents from that incident, such as the NSA attempt to stop publication.

And in my article, the NSA claims they can not legally search such data without a warrant. It doesn't say they are unable to access the data illegally though

Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by lern_too_spel on Thursday October 29, 2020 @01:50PM (#24933105)
> He released the details of xkeyscore, which details the system involved with tapping into anyone's personal communication.

No, that is not what xkeyscore is. Xkeyscore is a database for metadata.

> And we know that they have such servers from the events surrounding Room 641A.

And thanks to Snowden's leaks, we now know that these are for tapping communications between foreigners where both foreigners are outside the US.

> It doesn't say they are unable to access the data illegally though

Within the US, they can only do so by asking the phone company to set up a tap, just like the FBI. Your article does not dispute this.

Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by FandangoRanger on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @03:46PM (#24923315)
This is a bit of a term of art. "They" don't "listen" to your calls. A computer does.
Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by lern_too_spel on Thursday October 29, 2020 @12:09AM (#24927092)
Says who? Not Snowden's leaks. Not the NSA. Not Ron Wyden.