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Re:The self-driving car is a red herring by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @01:12PM (#24921370)
Running a bus isn't that expensive. Running one every 15 minutes around a small town in a loop isn't that expensive.

I don't think there's anything fundamental about density. Its about ridership and funding. Even LA could have functional mass transit if it had the will to fund 15-minute busses on a grid all day. A 25 cent tax on gas would do it. If even 2 people average rode each bus, it'd break even on traffic density as well?

Re:The self-driving car is a red herring by an_opabinia on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @01:27PM (#24921572)
Listen you’re totally right.

But even if car people lived somewhere with the best public transport in the world, they would drive.

It’s not about technology or even reality. This conversation is a lot like trying to tell private health insurance users about single payer systems. Or private school users about federalized education. Or telling people with 4 children or 0 children how to live in a world where a thing like the sedan is designed for people with 2 children.

It is telling rich people you know better and also they are wrong, which is not an emotion you’re permitted to send.

Re:The self-driving car is a red herring by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @02:51PM (#24922644)
Many people are stretching the budget to have a car. With an adequate bus system that gets you anywhere in town taxi distance with a maximum single transfer of 15 minutes, there are perhaps many who's lives would be greatly improved by ditching the car. Or even just keeping the job if the car breaks down. Or using the car just for weekend jaunts.
Re:The self-driving car is a red herring by dragonwriter on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @01:16PM (#24921434)
> 25 cent tax on gas would do it. If even 2 people average rode each bus, it'd break even on traffic density as well?

Busses accelerate, decelerate, and turn differently than cars, so even if in terms of steady-state flow the two-riders = break-even argument is correct, it's not in city traffic.

Moreover, I'd like to see your work on operating and capital costs, especially accounting for road wear for which the usual approximate rule of thumb is that it varies with the fourth power of vehicle weight.

Re:The self-driving car is a red herring by JoeAltmaier on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @02:49PM (#24922620)
Well, I'm repeating something my old boss Eric Carlson at Unisys said, in his Master's thesis on City Planning.

And remember, the City busses are running only every 15 minutes. So whatever effect they have on localized traffic, it's very intermittent.