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Re:The self-driving car is a red herring by vorpalhex on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @11:51AM (#24920194)
I think there's a conflict in what "self driving car" means.

I think many users imagine being chauffered around while they read a tablet, potentially not even needing a drivers license.

Meanwhile I think realists and Elon Musk expect a car that is doing most of the menial parts of driving while a licensed human driver is still hands on but not doing much work.

We're close to that realist scenario in many ways for some areas - though I'm sure we'll see a spike in tragedies once it first goes out and people attempt to treat it like scenario one.

Scenario one is a very long ways away from being universal.

Re:The self-driving car is a red herring by legolas2412 on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @12:23PM (#24920652)
You call them realists, I call them misleading marketers.

The term to use is driverless. Gives the correct idea of what users imagine. All thsi "self-driving" or FSD is just driver assistance given more capability with no regards to safety.

Re:The self-driving car is a red herring by mhermher on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @02:14PM (#24922188)
In his intro speech of the Model 3, specifically talking about the FSD he was selling, he talked about something like "one day you could sleep while your car ...". I don't remember the exact quote, but it was something along those lines. Tying it very closely (albeit in some indefinite future) to the product he was selling. He's not a "realist" or "skeptic" in any way.
Re:The self-driving car is a red herring by vorpalhex on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @02:58PM (#24922743)
I used the word "and" there intentionally.
Re:The self-driving car is a red herring by tim333 on Thursday October 29, 2020 @06:45AM (#24929080)
I think Musk thinks the "self driving" will improve as time goes on until it's better than human driving. Which I can see happening but his time scale seems unrealistic. Don't think we'll see a million robotaxis for a while.