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Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by bayindirh on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @11:17AM (#24919717)
Its more nuanced than that. Didn't read the book completely but read a long report. What I remember:

- They got exact hardware details and topology of the centrifuges somehow.

- They've stolen Realtek's driver signing keys.

- The virus looks like a simple worm which can infect other USB devices and doesn't unpack beyond a certain point if it can't find the SCADA equipment and the correct device ID & topology (It's like a homing cruise missile which looks like an RC plane from distance until it finds its target).

It's possibly the most sophisticated hacking campaign when social and technical aspects combined.

Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by peteretep on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @11:41AM (#24920057)
> It's possibly the most sophisticated hacking campaign when social and technical aspects combined.

It’s the most sophisticated one _we know of_

Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by nostoc on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @12:36PM (#24920833)
And it's 10 year old now...
Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by bdamm on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @04:53PM (#24924015)
Frankly I expect basically all computers are compromised at this point.
Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by ReactiveJelly on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @08:26PM (#24925750)
And I expect all food is unhealthy, so all I eat is pancakes.
Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by firmnoodle on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @12:42PM (#24920913)
> - They've stolen Realtek's driver signing keys.

I have been to Realtek's offices in Hsinchu many times. While the other efforts may have taken major resources I don't think getting their private keys would have been hard at all. Especially back then. IMHO the building and some people could be easily compromised and I suspect they didn't really care much about security.

Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by nickbauman on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @01:17PM (#24921443)
The hardware-software combination that was used to compromise the Iranian nuclear facilities was amazingly old and primitive, though. It truly was a weak link that I cannot fathom how this wasn't upgraded looong before. I mean, I guess it just didn't matter that much, after all, it's only a uranium enrichment facility, after all. What could possibly go wrong?
Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by bayindirh on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @07:27PM (#24925337)
You're overestimating SCADA systems (and industrial control systems in particular) about their pace of evolution.

Some ideas about the reason they had this particular hardware and software combination:

- The SCADA hardware they got was not compatible with newer software which runs on more modern OSes.

- The SCADA software didn't have any newer version which runs on newer OSes (Windows 7 and further versions are more restrictive in terms of direct HW access).

- Since there are sanctions it was the only hardware and software combo they were able to legally obtain.

Industrial control is like automotive industry. Everything is improved in minuscule steps and by encapsulating everything in more modern carriers. A good example is MODBUS. They still carry the same data, the old way. Only thing is it's either encapsulated in USB or TCP/IP. Why? Because it works and allows perfect backward compatibility.

Since neither the hardware and the software has to run latest version of Doom (metaphorically), if the application is reliable, it's left as is. Even if it runs on DOS 6.22.

Fun fact: There's an auto repair shop in Poland which runs its main application on a C64 [0].

[0]: https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a23139/c...

Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by parliament32 on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @12:37PM (#24920856)
Morality aside, the whole system was a work of art.
Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by wh1t3n01s3 on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @12:10PM (#24920473)
If anyone is interested in this, or wanna refresh your memory, you should watch the docufilm Zero Days (2016) by Alex Gibney (most of his ‘movies’ are quite interesting)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5446858/

Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by colejohnson66 on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @01:47PM (#24921844)
Book?
Re:Spy agency ducks questions about 'back doors' in tech pro... by bayindirh on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @07:05PM (#24925191)
Countdown to Zero Day: Stuxnet and the Launch of the World's First Digital Weapon - by Kim Zetter [0]

[0]: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18465875-countdown-to-ze...