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Re:A Guy Walks into an Apple Store by lemmonii on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @11:53PM (#24914973)
It’s absolutetly not very easy. I would say it’s very hard, indeed it requires a set of specialized tools.
Re:A Guy Walks into an Apple Store by luma on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @01:47AM (#24915652)
The same is true of watches and nobody is calling for an act of congress about it. If you want something to be waterproof and small and lightweight, you are probably going to trade off some service accessibility.

They haven't gone out of their way to make replacing batteries difficult, but it is more difficult than it used to be before phones were waterproof and tightly packaged.

Re:A Guy Walks into an Apple Store by Hamuko on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @06:42AM (#24917264)
>The same is true of watches

Sure, it requires special tools, but isn't a battery change on a quartz watch pretty easy? I think the going price for a battery change is like 10€. There can't be that much hard work involved with pricing like that.

Re:A Guy Walks into an Apple Store by luma on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @12:06PM (#24920426)
I would respond that replacing a battery on a modern iPhone is similarly easy. The tools are plastic, cheap, and as others have noted, are often bundled with the battery. The only price delta here is the cost of the battery itself.
Re:A Guy Walks into an Apple Store by dheera on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @06:19PM (#24924763)
Until everyone started wearing Apple watches ...
Re:A Guy Walks into an Apple Store by Teckla on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @03:00PM (#24922763)
The same is true of watches and nobody is calling for an act of congress about it. If you want something to be waterproof and small and lightweight, you are probably going to trade off some service accessibility.

My watch (Timex) does not require special tools in order to replace the battery, and it's waterproof, small, and lightweight.

I unscrew four small screws on the back using the same screwdriver I've used for years to tighten the screws on my eyeglasses. Pop in the replacement coin cell battery, and screw it back together.

It takes about two minutes and costs about $5.

Re:A Guy Walks into an Apple Store by ashtonkem on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @04:38AM (#24916573)
Watches are a luxury product, and their environmental impact is effectively 0. The same can’t be said of smart phones anymore.
Re:A Guy Walks into an Apple Store by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @05:35AM (#24916879)
> The same can’t be said of smart phones anymore

It can be said about iPhones. I like having a thin, light and watertight phone. If the cost of that is limited avenues for servicing, that’s a tradeoff I am fine with.

Re:A Guy Walks into an Apple Store by majewsky on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @06:49AM (#24917308)
If the impact on society is significant enough, society can and does forego individual judgment. You wouldn't be able to put asbestos in your house today even if you were fine with the associated tradeoff, because society has decided that it's just out of limits.
Re:A Guy Walks into an Apple Store by ponker on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @04:45AM (#24916615)
You do not need to make it end-user serviceable to make it environmentally friendly. You can make it serviceable with the tools and skills available at a mobile phone repair shop, which almost everyone has access to.
Re:A Guy Walks into an Apple Store by vbezhenar on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @11:59PM (#24915022)
Those tools are cheaper than battery. I think they even sold with battery on some websites.
Re:A Guy Walks into an Apple Store by jnwatson on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @12:54AM (#24915379)
You can pay someone $30 to do it for you.