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Re:Vanilla-todo: A case study on viable techniques for vanil... by ehnto on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @10:00AM (#24907473)
Using frameworks is far more about hiring and human resources than technology I feel.

However, if your "micro framework" follows language idioms and is thin enough you get the best of both worlds, whilst releasing yourself from some of the downsides that come with using a general purpose framework.

Re:Vanilla-todo: A case study on viable techniques for vanil... by treespace89 on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @01:28PM (#24909675)
Frameworks make hiring a bit easier it's true.

I'm amazed at the number of developers who can't seem to cope with working with custom in house frameworks. I'm talking about fully working systems, with full source code and being walked through the code by the author / maintainer.

They fall apart, constantly complaining that the approach is non standard, deprecated, dangerous, unprofessional, untestable.

So we are trying more and more to use frameworks, just to be able to hire more easily.

Re:Vanilla-todo: A case study on viable techniques for vanil... by ehnto on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @03:29AM (#24916174)
Definitely agree, developers can get away with a lot of missing knowledge and not realise it, if they're using frameworks from the start of their career.

Ideally you could hire senior developers with the skills to work inside boutique software, but I have found "legacy" code turns a lot of people off a project, and most boutique software eventually gets called "legacy" even if it's well architected and running perfectly fine.

The skill which I think new devs could differentiate themselves with, is debugging. Familiarising yourself with software patterns definitely puts you ahead, but being able to use debuggers to understand code that has no pattern, that's when you become the kind of bug-squasher/problem-solver that projects like that require. If you have good debugging skills, you can work on any project, because you can find out all the information you need by stepping through the code.

Re:Vanilla-todo: A case study on viable techniques for vanil... by Vrondi on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @05:07PM (#24911916)
This just displays the core incompetence in basics that many devs who are dependent on frameworks have.