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Re:How journalists use youtube-dl by pdabbadabba on Monday October 26, 2020 @09:10PM (#24903514)
I don't see where you're getting that. GP rightly pointed out that 1201 prohibits tools "primarily" designed for prohibited circumvention. That's a perfectly coherent thing to prohibit, and that has the perfectly clear, logical implications that GP described.

Now, if what you really mean is that is is vague, then I agree. But I don't see any case for it being incoherent.

Re:How journalists use youtube-dl by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @03:46PM (#24911038)
> GP rightly pointed out that 1201 prohibits tools "primarily" designed for prohibited circumvention. That's a perfectly coherent thing to prohibit, and that has the perfectly clear, logical implications that GP described.

Except that it isn't, as already discussed, because the code doesn't change based on the design intent. The technical operation of the tool is identical whether it's used for interoperability or fair use or to rip songs for The Pirate Bay. The technical operation of the tool is identical whether it's produced by a university researcher or the developer of a media player app or a literal sea-faring pirate with a parrot and a peg leg who is the founder of a political movement to abolish copyright and promote civil disobedience.

But prohibiting a specific person (who may have had a particular intent) from distributing it is incoherent (or at least futile) if it means you can just get some other person with some other intent to distribute the exact same thing. And it's also incoherent to say that the other person can't distribute it even if they genuinely do have a different intent, if the intent is supposed to be what matters.

None of which depends on what you judge a give person's intent to be after the fact, because it's a defect in the legislation, not the judgment in any particular case.

Re:How journalists use youtube-dl by numpad0 on Monday October 26, 2020 @10:12PM (#24903893)
He probably consider any human judgement incoherent.
Re:How journalists use youtube-dl by GoblinSlayer on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @02:20AM (#24904894)
When "guess, it will work somehow" is all you can say, it sounds like you agree that it's incoherent.
Re:How journalists use youtube-dl by pdabbadabba on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @09:59AM (#24907459)
Maybe. But nobody said that.