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Re:Washington crews destroy first U.S. “murder hornet” nest by coliveira on Sunday October 25, 2020 @03:21PM (#24889097)
Capitalism doesn't know how to account for things that have no dollar signs attached. The only answer to anything in capitalism is: let's create a market for that. When you elevate capitalism to an ideology (which is what is happening for many people) instead of an economic tool that you need to use when necessary, then you lose focus of the real world outside markets.
Re:Washington crews destroy first U.S. “murder hornet” nest by mhh__ on Sunday October 25, 2020 @03:38PM (#24889229)
As opposed to the Communists draining the Aral sea?

It's not about socialism or capitalism here, scarce resources and humans need regulation

Re:Washington crews destroy first U.S. “murder hornet” nest by coliveira on Sunday October 25, 2020 @03:58PM (#24889396)
Why you assume that non-capitalism is the same as communism? Capitalist ideology and communism are extremes, in my opinion there is a healthy balance between them.
Re:Washington crews destroy first U.S. “murder hornet” nest by gremlinsinc on Sunday October 25, 2020 @04:28PM (#24889622)
I agree with this viewpoint. A more non-statist communism (re: unions and local area orgs that manage 90% of all needs), worker coops, less power for D.C. more for states and local municipalities.

healthcare being ran by a union of worker coops, that all pay taxes into the union of unions to manage healthcare for all members (workers and consumers who are members of the union)... Don't want to be part of the union then don't and if your employer still has their own health ins. use that, or maybe they use ours anyways cause it'd be better... Either way options still exist with the best ones rising to the top like normal capitalism, just CEOs and execs wouldn't be paid as well, because their value is a lot less than they think it is.

Re:Washington crews destroy first U.S. “murder hornet” nest by coliveira on Sunday October 25, 2020 @04:35PM (#24889670)
Exactly. Extremes of capitalism and communism are bound to lead to conflict and destruction because there is no way to convince everyone of something. But a well balanced society should be able to combine market based solutions with community based solutions where it makes sense.
Re:Washington crews destroy first U.S. “murder hornet” nest by gremlinsinc on Monday October 26, 2020 @07:05AM (#24894828)
yeah, I'm also a bit anti-authoritarian, so I feel smaller community initiatives shares power more, with less of it concentrated in power brokers who's only goal is money and power, and thus gives a little boost to more people willing to work for it as volunteers, or coop members, or part of the local community efforts.

A balanced society as you say, can only come from something that's not capitalism or communism both of which are authoritarian or oligarchical at the very least.

Ancom, I think is the best solution with the least amount of friction. I mean all it requires to get started is for people to form a union, start some union-owned businesses, put the profits back into healthcare for all members of the union. Anyone can become a member who wants to (might have a dues though), then they'd be encourage to buy from union businesses, who will in turn use that $$ to pay medical bills for all union members. If there's surplus everyone gets dividends, and workers get big bonuses.

Re:Washington crews destroy first U.S. “murder hornet” nest by ardy42 on Monday October 26, 2020 @03:26AM (#24893611)
> Why you assume that non-capitalism is the same as communism?

Free market propaganda often sets up a black/white dichotomy between capitalism and communism/central planning, then uses the failures of regimes like the Soviet Union to attempt to train readers to think that any deviation from capitalism will lead to similar disasters.

Re:Washington crews destroy first U.S. “murder hornet” nest by nurettin on Sunday October 25, 2020 @05:16PM (#24889949)
Because communist apologetics usually come from people who are communits, not people who think there is a healthy balance. Which is already in law. The US, just like every other healthy functioning country in the world, is socialist. They just suck at it horrendously in certain fields. The capitalist ideal is talked about, but mostly because of the innovation aspect, not the worker exploitation aspect. In fact, and especially these days, manual labor is so expensive, people are getting into DIY just to avoid it.
Re:Washington crews destroy first U.S. “murder hornet” nest by coliveira on Sunday October 25, 2020 @05:47PM (#24890200)
Not really, these days this position is more frequent in people who want a healthy balance and see policies purely motivated by free-market ideology. For example, it is very clear that the Trump administration is shock full of free-market ideologues, in issues ranging from health care to education and the environment.
Re:Washington crews destroy first U.S. “murder hornet” nest by nurettin on Sunday October 25, 2020 @06:04PM (#24890363)
Propaganda and wishful thinking doesn't replace facts. Governments will build transportation and hospitals until the last day of our extinction.
Re:Washington crews destroy first U.S. “murder hornet” nest by entropea on Sunday October 25, 2020 @06:26PM (#24890579)
>The US, just like every other healthy functioning country in the world, is socialist.

No, they're absolutely capitalist. Workers own the means of production in no "healthy" "functioning" government in the world.