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Re:YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git by jjeaff on Sunday October 25, 2020 @01:31AM (#24884092)
You should ask for immunity for tools that could potentially be used to infringe copyright, but that are not actually infringing copyright.

If guns don't kill people, people kill people, then certainly congress can accept that software doesn't pirate copyrighted works, people pirate copyrighted works.

Re:YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git by stevefan1999 on Sunday October 25, 2020 @06:56AM (#24885342)
Actually I found the statement "guns don't kill people, people kill people" very oxymoronic.

Sure one might argue that if you have the intent to kill, it's not necessary for one to use a gun, you have alternatives such as grenades, knives, chainsaw or even your bare hand if it's lethal enough. This is how you derive that "the gun is not evil, it's the people who are" statement.

But guns, under the category of firearms (not only guns, what about rocker launchers?), are almost-certainly designated to kill, and what is the top priority of firearm? Aim to be the most efficient killing machine.

So if you use a gun, it's not necessary that you are going to kill people, but it is very likely that you are imposing a threat to do so, regardless of if you're attacking/defending.

Therefore, trying to apply the gun analogy to current state of youtube-dl is an injustice to youtube-dl, as you compared an intrinsically evil entity to another.

Re:YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git by disown on Sunday October 25, 2020 @02:02PM (#24888381)
There is nothing intrinsically evil about a gun. You might as well say that a knife, pen or any other inanimate object is intrinsically evil. Also, there is nothing intrinsically evil about defending yourself.
Re:YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git by tripzilch on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @09:04AM (#24918246)
Oh, but in most cases there is something intrinsically evil about killing to defend yourself.

Like whenever you're not facing a murderous psychopath.

It's a tragedy when two people who have a gun feel the need to kill the other, over nothing more than the fear that the other might have and use one too. Even if one was breaking into the house of the other.

If you're a healthy human being you don't want to kill the intruder, you want to be safe. Neither does the intruder want to kill you, they want to get away with your stuff.

Two people not wanting to kill, being forced to kill simply by the presence, or even just the possible presence of a gun.

If you can't see the intrinsic evil in that, then I guess you must really think lightly about killing people.

Re:YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git by scollet on Sunday October 25, 2020 @02:41AM (#24884284)
I get the analogy, but guns are typically purposed for lethality.

Software is not typically purposed for piracy.

Maybe "trying to hit someone with your car"? Not sure.

Re:YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git by akersten on Sunday October 25, 2020 @10:21AM (#24886485)
It's a perfect analogy because it is so extreme. The powers that be have already accepted that way of thinking (because guns are not illegal) and it's therefore even less of a stretch to apply the same concept to software tools.
Re:YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git by jjeaff on Sunday October 25, 2020 @10:50PM (#24892413)
Exactly.