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Re:On Our Abusive Relationship with Mozilla’s Firefox by acdha on Friday October 23, 2020 @11:36AM (#24870586)
> I am being constantly annoyed to keep my browser up to date as well.

Imagine how annoyed you’d find it to have all of your accounts compromised and your personal data out in public or held for ransom. We know that most people don’t install updates in a timely manner because we have 3 decades of evidence from billions of devices.

Re:On Our Abusive Relationship with Mozilla’s Firefox by diggernet on Friday October 23, 2020 @02:35PM (#24872434)
That's fine. But there should still be options available for:

- Notify me that an update is available (and the download size), and let me decide whether to download it now or not. I know better than you do what the download will cost me, or I might have a specific reason you don't know about not to install this update (yet, or ever).

- Go ahead and download an update, and ask me whether to install it now and restart the browser, or wait to install until next browser startup. Because I know better than you do whether forcing me to Stop Right Now is too disruptive.

How would having those options available for people who choose to control their own computer cause any harm for the majority who leave the default setting? And what on earth makes you think that forcing an update right now, in the middle of what I'm doing, will keep me from being compromised by the site I'm already using??

Re:On Our Abusive Relationship with Mozilla’s Firefox by acdha on Friday October 23, 2020 @02:54PM (#24872608)
Since those options are already built-in, I think it's safe to say that the Firefox developers agree with you.
Re:On Our Abusive Relationship with Mozilla’s Firefox by diggernet on Friday October 23, 2020 @03:47PM (#24873166)
Oh? Where?

I go to about:preferences, and scroll down to Firefox Updates. Below that, it says "Keep Firefox up to date for the best performance, stability, and security." And then there's the version and a "What's new" link. No actual settings of any kind.

Based on tips found online, I've set app.update.auto=false, but that has had no effect.

Re:On Our Abusive Relationship with Mozilla’s Firefox by acdha on Friday October 23, 2020 @08:39PM (#24875903)
On a standard Firefox install the preferences dialog has a radio button to choose between automatic installs and checking but not downloading until you choose.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sg19e5pvhdrt05h/Screen%20Shot%2020...

Re:On Our Abusive Relationship with Mozilla’s Firefox by diggernet on Sunday October 25, 2020 @12:27AM (#24883841)
WTF? Thought I had a "standard Firefox". Has Canonical been tampering with the builds?
Re:On Our Abusive Relationship with Mozilla’s Firefox by ouid on Friday October 23, 2020 @12:21PM (#24871104)
The question is not when I will install my updates, but if. Generally the answer is that I won't apply any patches at all.

If you refuse to acknowledge that updates a) also introduce bugs, and b) consistently have negative impacts on the software, then I don't see how we can possibly have an honest conversation about this.

I certainly do not consider the security of my browsing experience to be such an important factor that I am willing to sacrifice all of my autonomy to obtain marginally more of it. This is the same argument that has been applied countless times to all sorts of monetization and surveillance disguised as security. I simply accept the risks.

Re:On Our Abusive Relationship with Mozilla’s Firefox by acdha on Friday October 23, 2020 @03:03PM (#24872693)
This is like trying to argue that cars shouldn't have safety equipment because you don't want to pay for something you don't [yet] agree you need. A web browser is extremely complex and usually the most security-sensitive software most people use. You don't have the resources to maintain a fork so if you really dislike the decisions made by the Mozilla developer team, switch to a different browser rather than making your browser experience worse and putting yourself at risk.
Re:On Our Abusive Relationship with Mozilla’s Firefox by dralley on Friday October 23, 2020 @12:47PM (#24871382)
Switch to the ESR build, then.