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Re:The ‘Caspian Sea Monster’ rises from the grave by ChrisMarshallNY on Friday October 23, 2020 @06:58AM (#24868132)
Every time I read about these (rather cool) devices, I wonder how they would fare in rough seas.

As any sailor will tell you, it is seldom as smooth as the water that you always see in photos of these birds under flight.

It's like tourism photos of Ireland, where green fields are always under clear skies.

Re:The ‘Caspian Sea Monster’ rises from the grave by throwaway0a5e on Friday October 23, 2020 @07:07AM (#24868185)
That's why it's the Caspian Sea Monster and not the North Sea Monster. They don't work that well in rough seas.

Think of these vehicles as floating on a layer of "thick air" above the ocean. They bounce through that air like a boat on the waves. If the layer is rough enough they will bounce more deeply into it the same way a boat will sink the bow deeper into large waves. If the sea is rough enough they go through the ground effect layer and hit the wave below. Bouncing off the waves without crashing necessitates a reduction in speed that kind of makes these vehicles useless compared to boats.

Re:The ‘Caspian Sea Monster’ rises from the grave by btilly on Friday October 23, 2020 @11:59AM (#24870886)
You have put your finger on exactly the reason why they failed commercially in the real world.

The problem is that just one monster wave is disaster. The bigger you make the device, the bigger the wave it can take. But to justify a bigger machine, you need to have it transporting a higher volume of people. Which means that you only hit the break-even point for ground effect vehicles where lots of people want to quickly get from point A to point B over relatively calm seas. And ideally a relatively short distance so you can pick up lots of fares for your time spent over the water.

However wherever you have those conditions, you have the perfect economic conditions to build a bridge or a tunnel. That may be more expensive, but solve the problem better.

They do have limited military use. There you only want to use it once, the people you are transporting can accept higher risk than civilians would, and being able to ignore mines is a huge win. But again, only some military theaters benefit, and getting the machine where it needs to be can be a challenge.

Re:The ‘Caspian Sea Monster’ rises from the grave by Yizahi on Friday October 23, 2020 @11:12AM (#24870303)
Badly, because uneven distance between body and surface will make it more and more unstable. It can't even turn banking properly like a plane, because outside wing will be higher from surface than inner wing. It had to make turns of gigantic radius staying horizontal during the turn. Waves will make all even worse.
Re:The ‘Caspian Sea Monster’ rises from the grave by Retric on Friday October 23, 2020 @11:30AM (#24870517)
You can design a ground effect vehicle to also be able to fly. 90+% of the time you get fuel savings utilizing ground effect, and when the sea’s rough you can just increase attitude at a significant increase in fuel usage.
Re:The ‘Caspian Sea Monster’ rises from the grave by dnautics on Friday October 23, 2020 @02:40PM (#24872485)
I'm curious why the bay area doesn't have an ekranoplan ferry service. One could imagine longer routes like okl-mtv or okl-rwc or even okl-sjc becoming reasonable. Would it just be a regulatory mess?
Re:The ‘Caspian Sea Monster’ rises from the grave by ChrisMarshallNY on Friday October 23, 2020 @02:48PM (#24872552)
Probably because it would take a lot of work, money, and time to validate the ferries, and someone would also have to make them; which would entail its own set of regulatory hurdles.

A more reasonable approach might be hovercraft ferries, like they have in Dover, UK. At least the equipment already exists.

Re:The ‘Caspian Sea Monster’ rises from the grave by wil421 on Friday October 23, 2020 @07:49AM (#24868451)
They said it could “fly” in up to 2 meters. I would’ve expected any size wave could topple it.
Re:The ‘Caspian Sea Monster’ rises from the grave by masklinn on Friday October 23, 2020 @08:25AM (#24868708)
Others like the orlyonok were able to fly way higher, at an efficiency cost.

A big issue they all share, with all other seaplanes, is that taking off in rough seas is terrible, and very stressful on both passengers and superstructures.

Re:The ‘Caspian Sea Monster’ rises from the grave by justmyname on Friday October 23, 2020 @10:04AM (#24869609)
Caspian sea monster had a static ceiling around 3000m. Just enough for a rebase to Mediterranean Sea.